Does anyone really thinks we will make the top eight this team could not beat Casey seconds. I watched the match vs north and when the kangs put pressure on our boys, we could not put more then 2 posses together we lost by eight goals but the kangs only put 55 % effort in the last qter. Our best players either cant play or are too old, we just have to face facts this group had its chance they blow it. For three years in a row they where top three at the half way through the season, and fell in a heap 2004 was our best chance and they blow it, with four rounds to go we where top of the ladder 5 weeks later we where blown out by essendon, that was the last chance we have been treading water ever since, we need to do what hawthorn did 5 6 years ago, a clean out trade anyone with any value and retire the old, and miller the game has passed him by he cant kick and cant handball to a man in space only men with two or three opponents on him.