dee-luded

the issue is the people who want to "run", who want to hop into the drivers seat of this club & steer... the arrogance is from business successes. "step back people", "I'll run this ship; I'm a successful business man" ! "I know what I'm doing, I'm a success"... ..........oh, he's right step back & let him at it... step back people!!! "vote for me, I'll fix things". ............ well, guess what, we aren't a business, we are a footy club, one that needs supporters, members, & help from the people to survive... & It most certainly does NOT need arrogance. OR self protectionism. so let the people in, stop treating them like 'lepers',,, & give them equal say, & touch! out with political correctness, & false niceties...... Smithy's still turning uncomfortably. open the FCUK up & let them IN !

send your ticket, cut in 2, to the AFL. if enough do this, they will start to take heed.

Davey didn't bring players down he just chased then like a yappy puppy dog. so yes Davey was very soft, very. Davey was afraid of getting hurt, so he was in the wrong job. lead by example even if you fear the job... no 2 ways around this, in the elite competition...... non negotiable's !

there is an air of wanting to rub shoulders with "importance".... this is an arrogance, that by extension of the arm, can touch the shoulder cloth of someone they look up to, via a shoulder pat. the trouble with this "(part)" of the culture, begins when those getting touched, are under 22 years of age. & have done nothing but get drafted. another issue is the people who want to get on the band wagon & lead, simply because they are business leaders, but have not done any grass roots footy club leading, & have an arrogance because of their successes in business...... see the AFL, MFC, & all sorts of big sporting clubs who start to fail. & they don't understand what it is they doing wrong. they just don't get IT. " turn on" the people, & eventually when they've had enough, they will turn & bite you.

YES, but you said the last ten years which encourqaqges people to look at only the last TEN years, as the problem; & by extension the search for reason to fault, then lays with the people of that 10 years... but this is wrong, & its why we continually FAIL to see the truth. the truth is we were getting big heads on field from 20 years back, & off field, allowed a lot of arrogance & then complacency in; which infects people without their knowing... the rot has entered the house & the spores are slowly finding their ways into every little crack, crevice, into the paint, the urinal, shower everywhere & it grows. the culture either grows upward, or its let slip & grows downward.... & the new kids then learn the methods they are exposed to in they're time. we started slowly going down during the mid 90's. it was onshow in the 2000 Grand final, where we were smashed to bits, & intimidated.. like little boys. it continued with soft C's playing in our jumper after that, who wouldn't do the dirty work required, crashing bodies, chasing, rag dolling, taking a hit to get that special disposal away to a teammate, so we had players who wouldn't chase, who would talk big, but did nothing. talents all, but soft C's..... & so it was; that all the new kids grew under those soft C leaders. so mcclean sylvia davey etc etc all turned out as they did, the nice boys next door. .

don't agree, sorry its the pervading culture that got Smithy out, & the the other coach fell into bed with this culture, after about his 4th year.

yes, but horse before the cart KDA. our own experience shows us that bringing fresh players in to a terribly weak culture for hard contested sport, & for winning, only serves to weaken the newcomers. they can't help it, unless they are a Hodge, or a Selwwod.. rare. .... you have to remove the leaders who are infected by the softness first, & the weakest individuals who thrive on the poor culture & try to maintain it. our off-field club leaders didn't understand this after 2007 > , & unfortunately mucked it up. but at least we had started the work, but we've had to redo it a couple of times, & are finally onto some people who know the way to do it. ...... but peoples patience is understandably running very thin.... especially with the slow transition of draftees into senior footy, but this is the way to do it rightly. this is how it should have been done from 2007. slowly.

your both right, it was the right choice at that time, but it cost us too much for him... fortunately Qball failed they're transitioning & cloke is still suffering for it. its time for us to do a transition from Dawesy. he has a job to do but being a marking tall isn't it, & Hogan needs a tall marking partner, now! not in 3 yrs time. time to get Henderson in, as a marking target who will help from game1, 2016.

those leaders were a part of the problem as well. when you have a family illness which attacks your families DNA, & binds to its DNA chain, sometimes you must seperate those family members from the newborn so as to avoid passing the illness on. we made a mistake with Jnr.... we should have kept Jnr, & traded Davey, Green, & Bruce for picks. Jnr had an attitude like Crossy has, for hard work & no shortcuts. the others were all sparkle & pop, & no real inner go!

this just shows how unknowing you are, about how soft we drifted after the mid 90's... its a very gradual process covered by top 8 finishes, disguising whats happening underneath our cultures skirts. you can't see it happening unless you know what to look for & are paranoid ly vigilant, & payed to watch for it.

they have been, & are.

we started behind GWS & the Suns, because our culture was weak-kneed, soft, & self serving. theirs (gws - gcs) started fresh from birth. so we had work to do to undo the rotten culture, that is a hard job to do. we are still doing this as we rebuild at the same time. the key is to not recruit any who are a fit, more like our old ways.

I'm trying to conjure up an idea, trade with GWS, we trade them a player/s for Pick12.. its not working for me, ..... unless we were to give them P4 & Howe now? for a GWS player, & P12 ? P12 we may be able to land the Weid, or Tucker ?

that right, & some maybe playing games, just trying to push his cost up without really being interested, to stretch a particular club closer to its cap. no point going off before acceptances.

well done WWS... enviously!

evening up, I would say we need more than Dion; so lets say its Dion at end of this season, & then Gaff at end of his current contract period. that will go closer to evening up.

yeah, it was Shiel I wanted, & was banging on about for the last couple of years. I saw that Treloar was a good runner with ball, but thats all I noticed of him. where as Shiel has X factor is creative. I hope we are loaded up the next time Sheil is up for contract...

will he attack the body or is he shy?

GWS are showing their thoughts on the list wishes they have. they're priorities, who they can afford & not. they know what they are doing, IMO. would like to hear from all, what downsides does Treloar have?

right royally root ed

whilst my loyalty side doesn't want him to leave, & his family, he may need fresh pastures, to reignite & freshen his mind, to get out of ruts established way back.

is Nathan Foley worth adding some depth, at the expense of a bail & a mckenzie?

all clubs are desperate to improve, & the power clubs whom are down on knees, are more desperate than a cornered rat. they will pay handsomely to improve in chronic weal areas to show improvement, to themselves (the coaches), & their supporter base, before they turn ferral. Maxxy has some value now; as he's improving but his ability ceiling is as big a question mark, as his weight over his knees is. some clubs would willingly shellout to fill their weak ruck brigade. the Blues would have a few players we could use in our list, & some Roosy & Co get get into the heads of to get them playing top-line footy. we're no slouches in ruck just not in the best 4, or 5... but we do Ok. ..... our weakness is quality runners with speed, & skills, & ability, in equal measure. and also another Key Marking Forward... carlton have a few players that fill the player types.... & their rucks have been plaid. look to the Cats, they are after what we want. the Cats have a young Ruck I'd like us to talk to, Nathan Vardy, who we could turn into that follower type. the Lions & Giants have some who want to go home or to Melbourne? we could deal here; & the Suns as well, but I'd be wary of the suns if what we hear is rampant Prestia will know who is OK. We must get Prestia... & a chat in ollies shell like as well, to keep him in the Goody's books. to me, I just reckon that even if Maxy hits his straps big time, the candle will only burn for a short time. I reckon we may only get 4 good years. shop what you've got stock of. it'll take us 7 - 10 years to get into top 3... maybe 4 - 5 years to get near top 6. unless we take our chances & trade for needs.

not much Al's, although I think I'd rather ollie to patrick. still cannot get the idea of danger in navy blue, out of my head... just the way they, the carpet cardboard baggers operate, they're MO is one of scooping from deep down & taking all buy surprise wats the chances danger at the blues, with aish at the crows & yarran in QLD, with some rounding out?