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7 hours ago, Bombay Airconditioning said:

Is this site playing up again?

very much.

I have to keep closing the page after posting,  & reopening,  then refresh to clear the last memory of the past post.  before its good to go.

6 hours ago, Ouch! said:

Schwartz was a fantastic player, and one of many exciting players we had 94-95. I always feel that losing him was doubly felt by taking Neitz away from CHB earlier than we would have wanted. His legacy as a champion of the MFC would have been that much better IMO if he had played a few more seasons as a CHB. 

I am only now getting the feeling that our current list is getting to the point where it could deliver what the 94-95 era never managed to do.

.... trying to keep a lid on it though.

Baby Demons 'Ouch',  that have done nothing Yet,  but I agree with you,  the list is getting better,  & the culture is getting healthier,  it appears so far anyway.

Lets see if they blossom individually into talents,  AFL talents,  & also collectively as a team.   that'll be the big tests.

a couple of years at least yet IMO,,,  off comparing to the 94-95 side.

http://www.canberratimes.com.au/act-news/exmarist-brothers-could-argue-against-child-sex-abuse-trials-in-supreme-court-20160308-gndjdf.html

Ex-Marist brothers could argue against child sex abuse trials in Supreme Court      

      Megan Gorrey     March 8 2016 - 7:28PM

 

 

The defence for two ex-Marist brothers who face historic child sex abuse allegations is expected to argue in the ACT Supreme Court the pair should not face trial.

        

         Brother John "Kostka" Chute.  Photo: Martin Jones

Police charged John William Chute, 83, and Gregory Joseph Sutton, 64, as part of Operation Attest, an ongoing investigation into child sexual abuse in Canberra schools in the 1980s. 

 

Mr Chute, also known as Brother Kostka, was charged with two indecent assaults on a male and two acts of indecency on a child, while Mr Sutton faces three charges of indecent assault on a male. 

Neither man has entered pleas. 

 

Their lawyer signalled in the ACT Magistrates Court last month that the men could seek to avoid going on trial for their alleged crimes. 

Both cases were briefly mentioned in court before Magistrate Peter Dingwall on Tuesday. 

Sydney defence lawyer Greg Walsh suggested the cases be moved to the Supreme Court so matters that may prevent the charges proceeding to trial could be dealt with there. 

 

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http://www.canberratimes.com.au/entertainment/music/acdcs-brian-johnson-forced-to-quit-touring-on-doctors-orders-20160308-gndcfj.html

AC/DC's Brian Johnson forced to quit touring on doctor's orders               Peter Vincent     March 8 2016 - 2:37PM     

AC/DC's late career rollercoaster continues with flat-capped lead singer Brian Johnson being forced to quit the band on doctor's orders.

1 hour ago, Moonshadow said:

Future? Does Jobe have an AFL future?

He does,  if he wants it,  but I sense & its also in media,  that he's disillusioned with all that's happened,  & now looks like he'll lose the medal as well.  & should.

..... a little similar to the young Cassius Clay when he threw his Olympic medal in the river.    "no Vietnamese called me a"   drug cheat !

Going interstate to the sun & surf,   could be just the ticket for this burdened man.

4 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

This has to be the most bizarre thing I have ever read.

You reach a a whole new low..

...

anything you do not understand,  is a threat somehow,  so its stupid..     or is it?     just that you do not understand this stuff well ? 

3 hours ago, AzzKikA said:

Where are you getting this idea Ablett is distracting off field?  I think they have traded the coke sniffer to Freo, he was the real distraction.  Ablett was never a leader, never will be, i believe Bomber knew this and told him he will never lead the club and maybe that could be one of the reasons why he left the cats, among others.  But he is not to blame for their culture, he just didn't help it was he is not a natural leader, neither is Jobe, if he was Essendrugs would still be known as Essendon.  You say that Jobe is a strong on-field leader, yes he is, but the issues are not on-field are they?  Zarharakis (spelling) said no and they didn't punish him did they?

thats right,  gablett isn't a real leader.  he was struggling with it at Catters,  & tried hard at Suns, but its not in him.

there is/was the drugs side,  &  the god side pulling different ways, drifting apart.   Its not good to be having strong outside influences that can affect the teams cohesion,  within an elite sports club.

I believe there is many differing groups, or was.  Also a problem of having too many elite kids,  & no real mature age leaders,  to keep a cap on them.   Gablett imo isn't strong enough, outspoken enough,  to put it straight with those kids. 

Straight talking is needed.  Eade will straight talk,  behind close doors with intensity.   I doubt McKenna had this in him either.

so I think now to chanege the culture the old leaders who oversaw the pasr=t culture & failed have to go, to allow a tyotally new leadership group to take over with a fresh appraoch & discipline. 

Its like us,  we couldn't really change the old rotten culture,  with Green-Bruce still there in the club,  we would still be battling,  but Roosy would have pensioned them off anyway.  With diplomacy.   Moloney had to go also,  ahead of Green & Bruce.

The one we should have kept on was the first one put out to pasture.   Jnr McDonald was the ideal leader to change the culture with.   He was the only one who was 100% responsible as a demon player. & this is why Sheedy snapped him up straight away. 

We didn't just shoot ourselves in the foot over this one,  we blew it off with both barrels.

back to the Suns,  its time for Gablett to go,  before they tap him on the back,  for a chat.

it could work out a win/win,,,, or a win/win/win,  come 2017 ???

vale`   Ross Hannaford

Came across him in stkilda a few years back at the bowling club.       a great band,  Daddy Who !

3 hours ago, AzzKikA said:

So GCS would get rid of a distraction, in Ablett a 2 times Brownlow medalist and a clear drug record, and replace him with Watson, a confirmed drug cheat that won a brownlow while taking said drugs, to solve their drug problem?

Or is the distraction when he isn't playing?  If that were the case, that would mean they are too distracted by the fact he isn't out there winning games for them, i can see how that's a distraction.

DL it's getting harder and harder to read what you put out there, can you please start actually reading then contemplating what you have written before submitting your posts/threads, you are fast approaching the ignore button, and that would mean you would be the first on my list.

Yes,  I think gablett is distracting the players,  outside of footy.   the club needs to be rid of distractions.

Jobe is only doing what was expected of him from his club, via the coaches & leadership with the Docs backing to that point.  I don't excpect the players to understand fully what was going on from the start.  so a follow the leader goes on.

the leaders being club official coaches & x coaches & doctors.

So with Jobes penalty behind him next year,  he should get another go,  somewhere,, IMO.   He won't be hung-out like hird,  for doing as requested by his superiors.  he is a good leader of young players  & has a couple of years left in him at the right club.  especially a club which has gone off the rails,  off field.

Jobe is a great example to show them the right pathway.  as would Josh Kennedy from swans.

The Suns will be better off with a fresh start,  so trading Gablett would help refresh the culture there.  I think Eade would jump at the right offers.

5 hours ago, rjay said:

I know there are a lot of Dean Kent fans on here but he really does need to lift his game this year. He needs to get involved in the play more and when he gets a shot at goal needs to nail it. For such a good kick of the ball he is a very poor kick at goal.

If we want to be a top team we need more from our small/medium forwards like Kent. At the moment he is not in the class of players at the top teams doing a similar job.

I think his aggression is great but it's not enough.

Some players go thru the preseason comp just getting a run & looking out to not get injured before the main games.  I seem to remember Todd Viney being a bit like this preseason.

I don't think we can take too much from his lack of killing it, to this point.

1 hour ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

 

He may have jumped the fence on purpose, with momentum up this to me is the safest option. I'd rather not collide with a steel fence.

 

or taken a dive, with pike

especially if your name is Brian willo Wilson.

3 hours ago, praha said:

Just imagine if Lyon, Schwartz and Jakovich had all been healthy through the 90s.

Throw in other injury-riddled players in Tingay, Charles, Lovett, and we'd have most definitely snagged a flag in the 90s. Don't forget we added Farmer to the mix in 95.

There's no doubting that we drafted and recruited superbly in that era, but the problem was around player recovery and fitness. We always seemed to have one of the longest injury lists in the AFL, while the likes of North, Carlton, West Coast, Geelong could get their best star players on the pitch for 99% of the season.

 

this is what ideally should have happened...

but it didn't,  & consistently hasn't.     injuries aside.

If I remember correctly,  'holywood boulevard'  started around this time somewhere?

24 minutes ago, McQueen said:

The intent he's showed in the first two practice games is a minimum benchmark for Watts.

I think he'll have a cracker year, re-sign and ultimately be a one club player.

I hope your right McQ.  I hope your right.

so far watts hasn't performed in past seasons.  he is talented but has to show desire for the contest & the clubs new values.

& to show he can cut it, under the pump.

there are many here which like this part,  or that bit if his game,  but this club needs all of him firing 100% for the footy.

12 hours ago, ickey_11 said:

Ablett WILL NOT go to Essendon. 

 

4 hours ago, AzzKikA said:

Watson will not go to another club and Ablett will not go to Essendrugs, where the frick did you even pull that suggestion from!?  Why wouldn't Ablett go to Carolton to pull them out of the crap storm they face?  Really suggestions like these, and your scatter brain posts, is the reason i skip over most of your crap.

you may be right re going to Essendon,  but I think the Suns would like to be free of him with the culture issues they have developed,  issues on many different angles,  so opposing sides within the club it seems.   They need all going in one direction, the clubs choice, football direction.

I for one would not like the AFL to lose a player of Jobe Watson's caliber,  even if he did go the wrong direction, under expectation of his leaders.

The Suns do need strong leaders of which Jobe has shown onfield to be.

Gablett is from what I hear a distraction,  & a suitable trade IMO would benefit both clubs. & all involved.   even if he went to the Blues in a 3way trade?

3 hours ago, Cards13 said:

Ridiculous to come back so soon. That era was just full of some much sparkle and sizzle for us but yet still unfulfilled.

 

This I think is our past birthmark, identifying mark.

we were great when we got on top (frontrunners) but when we let their mids get away, we would get trounced & be disappointing.  (defensive running & responsible thinking) IMO.

this is why I for one am so glad we got Roosy to the club,  to build us with a new culture minus the "clean pair of heels" mentality (frontrunner).

I'm looking forward to this new cultured club & its near future.  worried about after Roos & PJ leave us.  worried about the North & those who would be eager for some limelight & enter our board race in the future.

11 hours ago, Fork 'em said:

I was at Lavington Oval when he did it during the pre-season.
Couldn't believe the stupidity of it all actually.
He played in the curtain raiser (yes the seconds) came on after half time and was throwing himself around like his life depended on it.
Kicked 3 goals during the 3rd qr and popped it early in the 4th.
Can still feel the blood draining from my face when I realised what had happened.
Pretty sure that was the second time it went.

I was listening on the radio if I remember right.  my heart sank deep, like everyone's, when the news came thru he'd gone down.

41 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

Care...?

geez your an angry spiteful little fella aren't you. 

your not interested in much at all,  except to spread nausea.  you go out of your way.  you need anger management swyl,  to get over your animus.

Most humans,  if they read something they aren't interested in,  move on to the next article,  but you like to try to make it painful for all.  I thjink you have pent up anger in yourseklf & for others because of your situation.

my mother had it way worse than you do, even to the point of being pushed around the streets by brothers in a wheel barrow..  as a teenager entering womanhood.. swuyl go visdit a anger management group before you get too old for it, and before you can't change anymore. they can help.

Jobe Watson may look elsewhere for 2017

Gablettjnr is the same age, 31yrs...  to me a direct swap of the 2 players between the Suns & Bummers.   Jobe helps steer the Suns to a brighter future.  GAblett flies in to prey for the bummers resurrection.

any thoughts?

55 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

This is all you need to know mate.  He was my favourite player before the Wiz took that mantle.  The bloke was almost unstoppable in 1994 and, while I might be biased, he could have been on par with Carey if his knees held up.  Unbelievable agility, great pair of hands, high footy IQ and a great kick for goal.  The bloke had it all.

Edit - Watch his goal from around the 4:35 mark.  It's vintage Ox.

....  he's better than Nureyev !

thanks for that action,   geez i miss this footy.     &  the humerous commentators.  nothing too serious about them.  Only the game & its stars.

31 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

I think I remember come 1995 we lost the Ox, GLyon, Tingay, Jackovich, Glen Lovett and Charles all in the first half of the next season so that the Carlton we had smashed in 94 stepped up in 95! Gee with a dose of injury luck we would have snaffled one or two flags in the 90's, 1990 and 1995 for instance and 1998 irks me, we smashed The Crows but they got up to win somehow? 

also Prymke IIRC?  t

30 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Was talking to a 50 year old Essendon supporter today and obviously we got talking about the whole WADA situation. Anyways to cut story short he mentioned that Mlebourne was his 2nd favourite team and he'll buy a membership for us this year and has completely lost faith in his club.

But one thing he raved on about was how good David Schwarz was good back in his hey day when he was in full flight especially in 1994. He said he rated him above Wayne Carey by a length because of his speed and Ariel work in the air.

I started supporting the dees in 1998 when I moved to Australia as an 8 year and so I missed all of his best work, so just wanted to know how good really was the Ox? Is it that true that if it wasn't for injury he would have been on par with Carey?

yes,  it took him a couple of seasons to hit his straps with confidence,  but when he did,  he tore most clubs a new one,  in each half...  2 changes of shorts for the opposing clubs per game.

unfortunately he only was at that level for maybe 2 seasons before injury?

Schwarta was on his way to rewriting record books,  & dethroning the King.

30 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Was talking to a 50 year old Essendon supporter today and obviously we got talking about the whole WADA situation. Anyways to cut story short he mentioned that Mlebourne was his 2nd favourite team and he'll buy a membership for us this year and has completely lost faith in his club.

But one thing he raved on about was how good David Schwarz was good back in his hey day when he was in full flight especially in 1994. He said he rated him above Wayne Carey by a length because of his speed and Ariel work in the air.

I started supporting the dees in 1998 when I moved to Australia as an 8 year and so I missed all of his best work, so just wanted to know how good really was the Ox? Is it that true that if it wasn't for injury he would have been on par with Carey?

yes,  it took him a couple of seasons to hit his straps with confidence,  but when he did,  he tore most clubs a new one,  in each half...  2 changes of shorts for the opposing clubs per game.

unfortunately he only was at that level for maybe 2 seasons before injury?

Schwarta was on his way to rewriting record books,  & dethroning the King.

8 hours ago, old dee said:

I was at a gathering yesterday that included a couple of Essendrug supporters.

They are going on the walk to the ground before round 2 game.

Honestly you could not talk to them they have swallowed all the EFC and Hird crap completely.

They firmly believe there is a conspiracy by everyone and anyone to get them.

They seemed incapable of answering WHY?

No one took anything wrong end of story.

After five minutes I gave up and a Pies supporter there whispered to me " Blind Faith"

 

I've a friend in St-Kilda I can crash at,  if I need to stop over in Melbourne on occasion.

he is an Essendrug supporter;  I asked him last time I was in town,  when hird was on the news,  what he thought about it all... same as your friend 'od'... hird apparently done nothing wrong & he's been setup ?????????????????????????????????

when it comes to the bummers,  it seems 'no sense no feeling',  the lights just seem to go dim.

1 hour ago, old dee said:

A decade is a long to be the also rans of any competition dee-luded.

AS Jon Ralph said in today's HUN " But for a club that has defined mediocrity for a decade , NAB cup wins against Port Adelaide and the Dogs will do just fine."

I wish people would not be misled into papering over the cracks of our history.  We've been pretenders in the early part of the 2000's.  Poor cousins to our mid 90's teams, which were slowly losing the right attitudes imo,  arrogance creeping in perhaps at this point.  but we were starting to rot un-beknown to most of us.  When it starts you don't see it for the trees of success. like a cancer it takes hold silently in most cases.

To say, as some think,  we were great in the 2000's,  is just cart before horse stuff.  we were undisciplined & individualistic.  the tail was wagging happily,  but quite politically correctly, not to offend anywon.

we bled down until our 90's hero's were all gone by about 2003 ish,  when we bared our bones of the 1998+ crew.  TJ, whitey, yze, robbo, brusey... we became a non bruise fest in action.

But the Barassi-Northey influences had well past us by.

We keep treating ourselves on the comfort foods for thoughts,  of ladder positions,,,   rather than the real stuff.   The stuff that makes winners carry that silverware home.  talent isn't enough.. it has to be underpinned ontop of hard workers, & self sacrifices, & team.

If only talented teams won premierships,  then the cats would have plenty in the 80's- 90's.

2 hours ago, old dee said:

Hallelujah to that Ernest.

I will take a win any time anywhere for any reason.

Were getting there slowly,  it's been a  long wait,  'od'... 

14 hours ago, old dee said:

Amen to all the above ww

For the first time in a decade we have a half decent list that has won the first two games of a season.

Ok we had poor periods but we still won.

Get that guys we won in spite of some players not playing well

The Dogs had some of their better players out.

So what we won.

Get it everyone we won.

 

competative players on the list,  with a more competative attitude,  fortified by a responsible team attitude to defensive running,  & assisting.

add a pinch of talent & creativity to this & start to climb.

2wins are 2wins,  it feels like we haven't had that since the Febey boys made Melbourne home.

its a nice feeling.