John Demonic

It would have to be a pick swap surely. Freo's 1st and 2nd for Collingwoods 1st and 2nd, if it's say 12-14 for 16-17? and 30-32 for 34-35. Anyway, Clark is just spitballing like we are.

That seems like a pipe dream on the surface DJ, as I would assume it would be closer to 200-250 a year if we're simply allocating Jacksons dosh to Grundy. BUT what will be an interesting quandary for the Pies, is how long can they hold out on money negotiations if they need Grundy to go to prevent DeGoey DeGoing to the Saints and McStay McComing to the Pies. Would they get desperate and do the 400k deal ? What kind of pick would they demand off us? If we hold out long enough to pressure them, would they do Grundy for a late pick AND take a good enough 300-400k chunk We have some leverage to get a good deal like you said.

2 really good forwards taken with very high picks? I hope you take photo's of the secret Friday morning r23 meeting between Adam Simpson and Dogga in an airport lounge when he arrives "early" for Geelong and we fly up to Brisvegas

The implication of us having 700k or so for the next 5 years for Grundy, would seem to be that we do not have any other big KPF recruit in the pipeline for the foreseeable future. It's win now with what we have, what JVR becomes and what other smaller pieces we can acquire via free agency and trade

Injury prone seems a bit of a stretch as well. Edit: No doubt we will want to manage any particular re-occurences of his pcl going forward, but he's been pretty durable.

Grundy in our fitness program, dropping some kg's over the summer (Like Max did) would be a decent get on 700k a year, it's worth the risk if the club and medical department have had a good look and think we can do a better job of managing his body.

I don't have the CD Data, no one does - I guess we need to find out how many marks inside 50 do we average a game as Spargo contributes to 1 of those since the bye. His season avg of inside 50's is 3 and earlier form closer to 4. so 1.5-2 marks inside 50 still seems a somewhat valuable contribution as we head into the finals, if he can recapture some of that earlier season form. Anyway Good point, lesson learnt on actually diving deeper on a stat you've overheard in the media! I should actually know better considering I was harping on about CD not revealing the pressure ratings of all 18 teams!

Wasn't there a stat that said 46% of Spargo's inside 50's result in a mark, which is the best in the comp? And our next best player is Viney at 19% which is the league avg and every other player is below. Dropping Spargo sounds like a great way to fix our forward connection

The only parallel I think you can draw is how the forward line set up of 1 tall in Riewoldt and a 4-5 mosquito fleet of smalls w/ a mid-sized forward in Josh Caddy ended up failing to be enough to mount any kind of efficient come-back against the Pies in a prelim, who rattled them early with fast football that caught their defenders in 1 on 1's, The initial surge of 5-7 goals was enough to keep the Tigers at bay as the Collingwood defenders swamped Riewoldt in 3 on 1's all game. They went and recruited Tom Lynch in the off-season and the rest is history. Whatever happens this year, we will still need to go and recruit a key position forward or at worst a stop-gap kpf to replace Mitch Brown and be depth for a hopefully injury free TMAC and JVR as he develops. It's actually the opposite to 2018 for Richmond, they had a very soft run into the finals and it did not help them, it hindered them. If you can recall that Hawthorn supplanted us in the top 4 and Richmond took care of them pretty comfortably before getting the week off. Hoping this tough month right now could do the opposite for us in prepping us for the finals

Is Jordon still a lock for that wing? While I'm unable to assess his running patterns, space holding and km's run from a watchafl subscription, I found his reaction time with the ball in hand lethargic and slow paced. He wasnt manic or 'surging' enough with his disposal, which in turn meant worse entries forward., It may have been to do with Collingwoods pressure though. But harking back to the question: do we want to bring anyone else in or make positional changes again: like Harmes returning to the middle, Gus to the Wing, Hunt or Bowey in defence but also sharing some time on that wing with Gus drifting back or wherever needed ie a rotational wing etc

I hope Goodwin is not trying his best to create a 16-22 of players that missed out last year, purely out of the goodness of his heart and also in relation to the May incident ie Melksham, Smith and then persisting with Hunt, Jordon, Weid ... when there might we better options and/or positional shifts that are an improvement on their current output. I eagerly await the facepalms for that hot-take

I recall a stat for Sydney that they are 17/3 for last quarters won. I say this, as it bodes well for them ending Collingwoods streak this week and being our QF matchup away or at the G (If we win both our games)

We need to improve, but I'm sick of seeing this stat and not the full list of 18 clubs ranked by pressure. it's just a cherry picked champion data headline for fox footy from 1-2 months ago at this point that get bandied about by all talking heads. I want to CD to show us the context of it v our rivals: Where do Geel, Syd, Coll, Freo, Bris all rank in pressure? How does our pressure rank in the past two weeks? Month? etc

Sparrow does alright from a set shot or kicking straight 40-50m out. He rarely gets a shot, but he nails them.

Yikes, assuming we beat Carlton and Bris, Freo, Syd & Coll do what they need to do against lesser sides. Round 23 Bris v Melb could decide whether we finished 2/3 or 6th. 5th would be bad enough, but 6th!? Damn. https://predictor.squiggle.com.au

The question is, if you're a WB list manager, how much is enough to satisfy your fans that you bled both Melb/Freo to get the most satisfying package for losing a generational key forward with 2 years left on a contract WB aren't walking out of this without 3 first round picks at a minimum, 2 from Freo, 1 future from Melb. Lobb is steak knives in all of this. Jeremy Cameron at 27 was 3 firsts, Naughton is 22.

The stakes will be massive. If we lose to Collingwood then its close to a write off for the season. Limping into a semi and then beating Geelong In a prelim will be a massive task, then we might be in a re-match against Collingwood in the GF on a 15 game winning streak. Winning a premiership from that position would easily defeat the 2016 Dogs run for difficult challenges. Win that QF and we are well rested for 2 weeks and can watch Geelong and Collingwood bash each other up.

If it makes it easier for you, just imagine an "if this rumour is true" in front of the naughton trade packages. No one here is commenting under any conviction that a rumour is fact. Everyone knows the DL draft and trade forum is the most fun place for thought experiments, to take our minds off the losses

lol what's with the anger? Langdon absolutely got what he deserved. If Howe had called us a one trick pony and Viney and others had piled on in the opening 30s, we'd all be celebrating/laughing about it.

Harmes for Jordon and Gus to the wing is my feeling after last nights game too, Though I watched it on tv and didn't get to see how Jordon was doing re holding space, amount of km's - I just felt he was not manic enough when he had the ball and we need a boost in that department.

If we can get Naughton then we're still on track to complete The Tiger Dynasty Model: Win the premiership. Lose to the Pies because of a lack of key forwards. Acquire Lynch in the off season Win the next two premierships

The Dogs would want our 2023 1st as well . And we would probably have to do it or swap for one of their 2nds, to get him out of contract. Unless they Plan on asking for Logue as well. Can't see a club playing hard ball accepting Lobbe, Pick 12-14 x2

Who cares. We finished where we finish. Gutted.

I knew after every goal they were gifted in the 50 we were done for. Petty's final free kick was the last nail in the coffin. I won't blame the umps but that had a Collingwood win written all over it in the last quarter. We were scared, and they tackled hard. We played rattled, that was very disappointing. 9 beers deep and I resisted the urge to smash my computer. At least I've got that going for me.

Fair call. 'Great' analysis might've been a bit overboard - Just thought id post a little bit of light reading anyway. My expectation bar is so low for the media that I don't expect neutrals to re-watch an old matchup or remember, as we fans do, players getting subbed off and playing injured, but it's a standard we should expect.