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Maybe they'll have more than 1 TV in the studio. If not, they can hire me for this and other genius broadcast future ideas

Viney version of Selwood. It’s a very good point.

Jack can be a game winner, made for finals, it’s crazy people here question his value. I’ve no doubt Gawn will make an incredible captain, but I hope Goodwin etal are smart on managing how he leads on field. There were (far too many) games last year where Gawn fought hopelessly to the end. As captain he could likely go too far, be too proud and be injured. Selwood and Hodge are surely the captains everyone looks at. Both know when to step into the game. Gawn has been playing at 100% and as captain could go 110%. The burden of captain is real, too many of our brightest players have been damaged recently. Only Jones was improved by the role, Roos knew how to assign the role.

Right - so only trading up can give them two top 20 picks. Top 5 in fact. I agree there’s a solid reason trading to 8. Seems more likely p3 will trade... and for some reason I can’t get that excited about Young.

Let’s say Kemp at 8 could be an option. But what happens if we bid on Green at 3? GWS have 6. What are the rules for them to do this trade to Geelong: p6 for 14&17. I understand they get Green with 14 and later picks, then still have 17. They’re not going to do nothing and waste 6 if they can do the split. Or am I misunderstanding the system?

Welcome to DL Ohio. In answer to your question- you don’t have to worry, mostly everyone here is an expert on every player from 4 minutes of video highlights. Having not even watched his footage I can tell you Kemp will clearly be a superstar. Unless he becomes Trengrove-mark-II. Somebody else will likely have a more illuminating answer you your valid question.

Ahhh. Of course PSD / ND. So he’s not remotely in the conversation then. GC should select him, no question? But sounds like he will extend another year

Thanks DC, I’m sure you’re right. Then why the continued noise? And comments from his manager after trade period closed. And if @Deefiant is right about around 25, then why did we inquire about him? Perhaps that was that before the end of trade. I find the trade value and player movements confusing, I guess that’s why all these guys do it full time

What's most likely LH? You seem more across player movement/contracts than most. Would GC really use their first pick on him? Let Anderson slide to 3? Or will he more likely just re-sign? If PSD and GC select him, what does that mean for his free agency status next year? If he leaves they'll get another pick 1 or 2 anyway a year later? If GC pass, would we need to take him at 3? Or 8? Seems our draft position has so many potential strategies it hurts my brain.

Wasn’t a genuine suggestion... BUT GC do need players who actually want to live in Qld. Miserable if they’re all homesick. They have culture problems more than talent problems. The Wagner boys are good footballers, at their ‘peak’ and well liked guys. They’d be a good addition to the GC squad. So more seriously, both Wagners plus 2020 first round for King? They surely don’t need another 2019 draft pick, and no high level player is going to GC. What will St Kilda offer that’s better?

BOTH Wagner boys for pick 2? Or King? Not remotely a fair deal, but they need players that want to be there. Help the talented kids they already have enjoy Qld. It’s not exactly a bad spot to be an overpaid footballer.

Butting in... I want him to straight bat with more confidence. I'd like Goody to say "the game style requires all 18 on the field to function at a very high level. When it doesn't work it fails completely, but when it does work it's football that will win finals". I agree with @Sorry kids that his media impression matters to the players, even subconciously. However, I also believe @stevethemanjordan that Goody is a world different when not on camera. Goodwin is making a lot of mistakes, but he's learning...

Gosh, 500k. Good career choice, stay fit + get rich. Slightly OT, but I was put off by the ‘pace setters’ when the players were running in pre-season. In that it surely falsely enhahnced their times. Faux data set perhaps didn’t help.

Demonland pre-game articles by @Whispering_Jack are among the most brilliant writings in any sport media. “Scream” v WC deserves some kind of sports literary award. I’m a great fan of @The Oracle also and @george_on_the_outer on the post game, consoles my wounded pride at being a Dee. I’m sure it’s been said before... but the considerable work and passion is much appreciated, I’m sure by all.

This must be the real question. The only players to have markedly improved under Goody are players that fit his team game style (whatever that is) - like ANB who can make numbers around the ball. Roos gave the players roles based on their attributes and those players rose up. Harmes is maybe the only player Goody gave a signature role - and he shone. I hope he can pull it together. But the fact there isn’t a great deal of exciting player development with a list of extreme talent... this has to be the big question

It does seem a combination of so many things... the team looks at sea. The game is now perfectly suited to our former No1s - Watts and Hogan

I admire Goody has a plan and he’s implementing ruthlessly. I didn’t like Goodwin at first. But his commitment to his vision is winning me over, even though I don’t understand it.

There really isn’t an excuse to be this poor. The list on paper has incredible young talent that should see significant improvement year on year. Chemistry solidifying. Confidence building. There are similarities to last season where we were scored on too easily, this year there’s a lack of scoring power in the fwd half now too. I’m a believer that this can turn around. But I confess to having absolutely no idea why the team as a whole is performing so badly. I can’t pin this on specific players.

Who are these players with “intuitive footy sense” on the MFC list?? The failures are with the players who lack any sense at all, it seems.

He was so relaxed, it was strange and concerning. Of course the players carry the message from the coach post game, so I’ve no doubt he was set into that mode by Goody. Perhaps he’s a genius coach, keeping them believers even at 0-3. The failures are bizarre, players like Frost and ANB aren’t as bad as that. It all looks so inexperienced. Even the experience (like Jones) seemed to run to positions to escape responsibility, he guarded grass more than anybody. Goody traded Watts and Hogan, he doesn’t play an experienced forward like Garlett. He believes full team buy-in to his game plan will win over individually gifted players. I’m going to say Goody is a genius coach as he’s doing everything different to what I would’ve thought. He still has Brayshaw believing, so maybe that’s a good thing?

This is a great thread Binman. The first rule change you listed and detailed, is the most surprising to me. Generally the AFL want to improve the spectator experience. Positioning was a real issue back with the ‘flood’ game style, but more recently positional coaching has been far more nuanced and interesting. Coaches, in particular Goody, were trying out new ways to set the team and I thought that was exciting, sometimes frustrating, always interesting. You could argue those manoeuvres are too ‘inside baseball’ for the wider audience, so the AFL don’t care to let that play out. But then there’s the incredible drama of tight games and those last few minutes where the captain has to direct the team to setup defensively to protect a slim margin... dramatic, even when we didn’t and left the game exposed, then lost! These are great moments in the game. I’m not sure what the AFL are gaining here? Perhaps a really clear graphic setup of the positions in AFL, lasting for just a moment before it becomes a scramble to reposition. I liked that Goody had new ideas and was brave enough to try them. Gave us an edge, with so many players being trained to be so adaptable. I’m marking this one down as a loss for the AFL and a loss for the Dees.

In the morning we give a late but good pick (maybe 46) for KK. Freo are spooked. Freo concede they must give Neale to Brisbane for 5. Now Freo are in a total mess. Freo give 5 and next years 1st for Hogan. GC take the Freo 2019 first for May. On draft night we swap 5 to Adelaide for 8 & 14. Even if this happens I’d prefer Hogan to stay.

I believe it was clear that KK can be a separate trade. Hogan for pick 5 and 23 was a fine trade, last week.

Sure. I might be dreaming, but from this point in negotiations I would certainly expect 2 firsts. 5 and 2019 first. Fremantle will be forced to offload Neale, then they’re in real trouble.

Oh, I see. I would've thought Hogan would be the much more valuable player? But I guess I don't know enough about Lobb.