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Clearly you must too.

What's the answer ?

So you don't want these communities funded from the public purse ? They're self sufficient ?

I appreciate the effort, but most of us have lived every dark minute.

Just noticed this ,,, Two things: 1. Why would you be called a racist for agreeing with most of this ? 2. Why do you care what random nongs like Stu think ?

I thought you were "out of here", Stu. Unsurprisingly, your word can't be relied upon.

Five of the top 6 teams on the ladder lead the UP ladder. It's no coincidence. Five of the top 6 teams on the ladder lead the disposal count ladder. It's no coincidence. More UP's lead to more disposals, which means more "time in possession" and the opportunity to score. Unlike Deanox, I don't dismiss CP's out of hand. Being strong in the contest and around the stoppages is also important, however, they're not as important as UP's.

Bye

Comedy gold. A bigot complaining about bigotry.

I agree with much of that, however, some of these communities are so remote what standard of education do the children have ? Is it in their best interests to stay so isolated ? Do they have access to proper medical facilities, etc. ? I don't know the answers, but these issues would concern me as a parent, I can understand why Goodes, et al, continually highlight our past and the present plight of some indigenes, however, does the finger pointing advance issues ? Is public money being properly spent to advance education and opportunity ? An excellent post on here was LG's declaration on page 21 that the Aboriginal community needed to increase its "leadership strength". Without leadership driving progress from within we'll be having the same circular arguments in 50 years. I'll be saying that I don't take ownership over what happened 250 years ago and others will walk around advertising their deep-seated guilt. But I'm not sure how this self-loathing has actually ever advanced the indigenous cause. There will have to come a time when the reconciliation movement stops wallowing over the past and starts focussing on the future, which I'm sure they're already doing, but anger over the past only stifles advancement. Kevin Rudd said "sorry", but what has that achieved ? Now I know that last sentence will be all that some focus on (the Stu's and Hardtacks of this world}, but what are the tangible benefits ? Perhaps it was the line in the sand to move forward from. OK, great. Where to now ? The mind is the most powerful thing any human possesses. It will reap tremendous rewards for those with passion, desire and a plan for advancement. Goodes has the first two, but does he have the third ? All the rear mirror gazing in the world will achieve nothing until the Aboriginal people can visualise what success looks like. Do they know what they crave and how to get it ? Will they be driven and focus on what they want for the future or be paralysed by what happened in the past ? Where are the leaders ? Are the leaders all on the same page ? Or is this a circular argument that will never change ? It can change, but it will only be changed by indigenous peoples.

Not probably.

What do you mean ?

No, I haven't seen it either and no-one was questioning his rights to express an opinion. It's just strange that he's referencing a film when discussing his lament and the film is purported to be very inaccurate and wildly exaggerated.

He's hardly impacted a game.

That's not what I asked you.

Do you think Utopia is an accurate depiction of what it was like to be Aboriginal ? Have you read Kieran Finnane's review, among others ? I'm not sure this movie should be Goodes guiding hand when it comes to history. I'm sure there are more factual documentaries he could have relied upon.

As for your stats ? The same report says: It is estimated that less than 30% of all sexual assaults on children are reported and that the reporting rate is even lower for Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children (Stanley et al., 2003). Inquiries into child sexual abuse in Western Australia, New South Wales and the Northern Territory have concluded that the sexual abuse of Indigenous children was common, widespread and grossly under-reported (Aboriginal Child Sexual Assault Taskforce, 2006; Anderson & Wild, 2007; Gordon et al., 2002). Robertson (2000) estimated that up to 88% of all sexual assaults in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander communities go unreported. In contrast to the low rates of sexual abuse substantiated by child protection services, police data on reported victims of sexual assault show that Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children are at greater risk than non-Indigenous children of being sexually abused (Steering Committee for the Review of Government Service Provision, 2007). Health data regarding sexually transmitted infections, which have been associated with child sexual abuse, showed that over twice the number of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children were diagnosed with an STI compared with non-Indigenous children (Steering Committee for the Review of Government Service Provision, 2007).

Clearly there hasn't been a government policy to remove white children en masse from their families. Is that the point you were trying to make ? Talk about stating the bleeding obvious. Perhaps clumsily, you inferred it was really only Aboriginal children who were ever removed from abusive situations when you said, "Child abuse happens in all communities but historically they have been removed from which families?". I then pointed out this wasn't the case and supplied information that shows 27K non-Aboriginal have presently been placed in OOHC. Check your unedited post on page 24/576, which is the initial post I was responding to and not your subsequently edited version down the page.

Facts and logic ? That's a laugh. Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children are NOT the only children removed from dangerous situations. Right now there are less Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander children in OOHC than non-Aboriginal. Although their percentage is greatly higher. This link may be of interest to you. Thank me later. https://aifs.gov.au/cfca/publications/child-abuse-and-neglect-statistics

You should remove any child from any family that is suffering sexual or serious physical abuse or any other dangerous situation. Btw, Catholicism isn't a "race". Oh and glad you're no longer a racist. Big of you.

Well you were stupid weren't you. I wasn't quoting Goodes verbatim. Why would I think I needed to ? The AFL didn't either. But now you've been set straight and know exactly what he said. Fancy making a public declaration and stating "Racism had a face - and it was a 13 year old girl...". She isn't the face of racism and it was despicable for Goodes to suggest she was - even with his lame attempt to then absolve her of blame. Btw, I knew you wouldn't "man up". And your mate Stu should cast for Dumb and dumber.

Oh dear... It was reported everywhere that Goodes said, 'Racism had a face ... and it was a 13-year-old girl - but it's not her fault,". Google that exact line and see what you come up with. And then apologise.

So even when he knew the details he stated, "Racism has a face and it's a 13 year old girl". She's lucky she's got a friend like Goodes. The rest of your answer proved my point. You've got nothing out of the thread, which is no different to the poster you were criticising.

What have you got out of it ?

No, they don't. They make them better. I accept times and employment have changed and I also accept we're talking about the MFC, but all things considered I'm not worried in the slightest about Hogan. These types of individuals tend to know their place in history and build clubs around them and not vice versa,