kurtneverdied

I'm not expert on AFL compensation but wouldn't it be wiser to not risk these mega contracts and just get some decent compo if they did go?

There shouldn't be much structure going forward. It should be up to the players to create. A structured forward line = predictable. Read up about Guardiola's tactics that revolutionised soccer. Yes this isn't soccer but many aspects have been already copied particularly from the back half.

I'm definitely for it. Hate this feeling of nothing to play for. Don't even have our first pick so can't get excited about that either.

Oh and spare me the whole destination club theories. We got all our good ones in before we won the premiership and a year or 2 after being a laughing stock. Goody was great at convincing players that we where in the right path for success soon and that's all you need to be, on the right path and players will come.

I think we are in the same boat as Carlton as in the message is not getting through from the head coach to perform. There's a few examples of teams finishing near last and the following season firing again and we must as a club believe we can. But it seems very obvious to me that we need a change of head coach and a fresh message. Someone who can get the best out of our current list again. Which is exactly what McRae did with the Pies. Rebuilding is not an option. I think winning the premiership has been detrimental to motivation. I remember the feeling well, the feeling of climbing Everest. Now it's done the allure isn't so special. Now we have 7-8 weeks of just turning up for nothing really.

Before we won the premiership we had everyone coming to us so destination club theory is a myth. Certainly wouldn't be taking advice from all these negative people here. Pies and Macrae showed how a turn around can be done. We now have the chance to be the next Pies or Cats if the club strives for that kind of outcome. Both those clubs prioritise players over picks. We obviously need a better recruitment team for mature talent though.

Hopefully the FD is smart enough to recruit similar to what the dogs have recently. have done well with what they paid for Bramble and Kennedy, even Harmes etc. We have pretty much no one contribute from another AFL side since May. , and we paid a lot. Only Langdon could be argued as a bargain.

Agree to an extent. I've read a lot recently about Man City's Guardiola style of play. Soccer has changed a lot in terms of tactics and the idea of positions etc. Basically control of play via continual movement of players positioned in diamond or triangles formations. Each player is designated an area to occupy but every position in interchangeable, so versatiliy is essential. Attacking and defensive structures are completely different. Defensive is very structured but on attack it's "controlled chaos". The idea with that is the opposition will always eventually work out your attack so you leave it up to players to be creative and produce attack that can't be planned for. Guardiola is know to constantly tweak tactics to keep ahead of the opposition. I believe the AFL are still quite far behind tactically and evolution is on its way towards more of a soccer philosophy. We talk about forward structure etc. That's exactly what we don't want. Structure in attack= predictable. Constantly changing personal in attack is also to key to exploiting matchups and distribution of a structured defence. All this is way beyond anything Goody has shown. I'd try and recruit a Pies assistant as their ball movement looks very much like Guardiola's.

I think Pies and Dogs are the blueprint on how change and success can occur without a traditional re-build. Credit to Bevo, don't know how he kept his job through all the noise. Pies have 10 players over 30. Success should not be given up on for anyone on our list. We do however need to grow some balls and make some tough decisions with player movement both ways. However we will need to change whoever is involved in recent mature player acquisitions. Need a coach who is willing to try new things and get the best from every player on the list. Goodwin certainly isn't.

It's sickening we have had 3 of the best marks and readers of flight in the AFL (May, Lever, Max) and despite having glaring forward issues since before our premiership, all 3 have never been tried at all. Is Max needed in the ruck? Many sides have been successful without a gun ruck and there's an argument to be had about Max domination in ruck vs actual advantage with taps. What is Max's number one quality? He can mark anything anywhere. Great endurance. Maybe though it's time to look after him a bit and use his marking in the forward line. Leave him one out in the square. Do we need all of May, Lever and Petty back? Turner as well.. May is a great leader of the backs but perhaps he and that leadership would at least now be better spent in the forward line. I suppose like a lot here I've given up on real change happening. Just give it a go for a few weeks. Swing them back or forward during games, just try something!

Seeing how important and dominate Gawn was tonight perhaps losing Pickett and getting Jackson back to eventually help fill that eventual void is better than taking a punt on draft picks no matter how high they might be.

Simple but effective is the way it should be. This is the % plays I've been banging on about. Get the best marks and readers of flight down down there (Gawn, May, Lever) and with Kossie ready to crumb this should a strength rather than a weakness.

*Cough* Gawn, May....Lever.

Good, professional teams are ruthless. Read today about the Denver Nuggets sacking of their 18 year title winning coach and their Basically their relationship was toxic and split the team and staff into two. The owner sacked both so no one camp would be seen as a winner. This is just one relationship between 2 people and it fractured the whole team made the place miserable. Shows how delicate a teams morale can be and the numerous relationships etc that can influence an organisations culture. Kicking long and high would make sense if it was Gawn, May, or maybe Lever forward as he reads the flight so well.

We know the players aren't the main problem. A complete change of off field staff is needed. A new clear communication and role structure model implemented. Everyone answers to multiple people who then report to the CEO and President. Get on top of the "Oliver situations" quickly. Drafting and trading have more of a group approach. Deal with GameDay problems like the forward line more aggressively. How can it be 4 years of the same!? Start dropping senior players to make a statement. Try players in different positions. Is Petty and Turner the only ones for a while who has moved positions? What makes a good key forward. Firstly they have the read the ball well in flight. Secondly they have to have a strong mark. Who are the first 3 you think of? For me it's Gawn, May and Lever. Yes we would lose a bit in defence and ruck but we have done well without Max in clearances and one of May or Lever can be back to lead them. We are at the lowest of lows in the forward line ATM. No targets. No one remotely in form. Can we just try keep it simple and kick to a forward line with great readers of flight and great contested marks. Especially since we have shown for years we can't kick it in there with accuracy. Play to our strengths, our gun marks. It would work straight away. I swear May has gotten more intercepts than our forwards get marks in a game ATM

I'm glad we are copping it from media as we should. I don't trust the club has the balls for change so media pressure is good. Exactly this. Love seeing it as rarely happens. May is the only one I've seen showing this marshalling the backline. Wonder if putting May forward and him doing the same may turn the forward line around. Still want Gawn in the forwards too. Need our best makers and readers of flight in there. But I guess 4 years of a disfucntion isn't enough to try something new.

I agree on those saying go to the draft rather than these mature duds. Obviously we were going for ready made role players as we thought we were still in the window, however pre-flag our success rate of late picks was perhaps a key reason we won on 21.

I grew up in Camberwell. Though I'm not Chris. Went to Camberwell South Primary and remember Jim Stynes visited after he won the Brownlow and got his autograph.

I thought no intially but our depth is horrible so if he is cheap enough. Does fil that age gap and think we need more inside mids.

Anyone defending the trading in of AFL listed players since the flag would fit in perfectly at the club atm. Bunch of excuses for a F grade effort. Can't blame salary cap as we had enough for Houston. We didn't have to give 6 year contracts out. We didn't have to throw all our $ to 1/4 of the list and end up with VFL players for depth. Whoever is in charge of list management has to go.

Wonder if winning the flag has hurt the desire from players. Before we won there was this great feeling of what we could achieve and the hunt for the flag spurred them. Now they have it the desire is perhaps less intense.

Problems everywhere. In every game this year the opponent has looked superior, like just waiting for them to flick the switch and run over us. Game plan will never work. List has deteriorated evey year since 2021. We are no good at trading from other clubs. No improvement from most players since last year. It's time for change, but like most here we don't think the club has the balls to do it and Goody won't walk.

Was thinking this earlier. Last year we had so many injuries I guess it was a bit harder, but can't be a continued excuse. We don't drop senior players. In fact I'm not sure there is an example of any tough/ruthless decisions within the club.

When we got Lever, Hibberd and Langdon it was well reported during the season that they were likely to come to us. However I feel the journos are less reliable or more trash to sort through now.

I look at a game plan as each play having a % chance of working out. An attacking game plan which requires shorter kicks and more hand balls needs each possession to work at a significantly higher % rate to work compared to a kick it long and direct one. More possessions to gain ground without turning it over needs players to create space and foot skills to maintain a high % of retention and/or gut running through the midfield for a chain of handballs. There is no room for error or a weak link and the team has to be on the same page and know exactly what we are trying to do. Personally I'd put our best marks and readers of flight into the forwards and just get it in there if they can't spot a open target. 3 players need to go in there. Gawn, May/Lever, and Viney as a hard at it forward crummer. Campbell to ruck, Johnson back and Kossie/Sparrow splitting the midfield time. % ball FTW!