kurtneverdied

Seeing how important and dominate Gawn was tonight perhaps losing Pickett and getting Jackson back to eventually help fill that eventual void is better than taking a punt on draft picks no matter how high they might be.

Simple but effective is the way it should be. This is the % plays I've been banging on about. Get the best marks and readers of flight down down there (Gawn, May, Lever) and with Kossie ready to crumb this should a strength rather than a weakness.

*Cough* Gawn, May....Lever.

Good, professional teams are ruthless. Read today about the Denver Nuggets sacking of their 18 year title winning coach and their Basically their relationship was toxic and split the team and staff into two. The owner sacked both so no one camp would be seen as a winner. This is just one relationship between 2 people and it fractured the whole team made the place miserable. Shows how delicate a teams morale can be and the numerous relationships etc that can influence an organisations culture. Kicking long and high would make sense if it was Gawn, May, or maybe Lever forward as he reads the flight so well.

We know the players aren't the main problem. A complete change of off field staff is needed. A new clear communication and role structure model implemented. Everyone answers to multiple people who then report to the CEO and President. Get on top of the "Oliver situations" quickly. Drafting and trading have more of a group approach. Deal with GameDay problems like the forward line more aggressively. How can it be 4 years of the same!? Start dropping senior players to make a statement. Try players in different positions. Is Petty and Turner the only ones for a while who has moved positions? What makes a good key forward. Firstly they have the read the ball well in flight. Secondly they have to have a strong mark. Who are the first 3 you think of? For me it's Gawn, May and Lever. Yes we would lose a bit in defence and ruck but we have done well without Max in clearances and one of May or Lever can be back to lead them. We are at the lowest of lows in the forward line ATM. No targets. No one remotely in form. Can we just try keep it simple and kick to a forward line with great readers of flight and great contested marks. Especially since we have shown for years we can't kick it in there with accuracy. Play to our strengths, our gun marks. It would work straight away. I swear May has gotten more intercepts than our forwards get marks in a game ATM

I'm glad we are copping it from media as we should. I don't trust the club has the balls for change so media pressure is good. Exactly this. Love seeing it as rarely happens. May is the only one I've seen showing this marshalling the backline. Wonder if putting May forward and him doing the same may turn the forward line around. Still want Gawn in the forwards too. Need our best makers and readers of flight in there. But I guess 4 years of a disfucntion isn't enough to try something new.

I agree on those saying go to the draft rather than these mature duds. Obviously we were going for ready made role players as we thought we were still in the window, however pre-flag our success rate of late picks was perhaps a key reason we won on 21.

I grew up in Camberwell. Though I'm not Chris. Went to Camberwell South Primary and remember Jim Stynes visited after he won the Brownlow and got his autograph.

I thought no intially but our depth is horrible so if he is cheap enough. Does fil that age gap and think we need more inside mids.

Anyone defending the trading in of AFL listed players since the flag would fit in perfectly at the club atm. Bunch of excuses for a F grade effort. Can't blame salary cap as we had enough for Houston. We didn't have to give 6 year contracts out. We didn't have to throw all our $ to 1/4 of the list and end up with VFL players for depth. Whoever is in charge of list management has to go.

Wonder if winning the flag has hurt the desire from players. Before we won there was this great feeling of what we could achieve and the hunt for the flag spurred them. Now they have it the desire is perhaps less intense.

Problems everywhere. In every game this year the opponent has looked superior, like just waiting for them to flick the switch and run over us. Game plan will never work. List has deteriorated evey year since 2021. We are no good at trading from other clubs. No improvement from most players since last year. It's time for change, but like most here we don't think the club has the balls to do it and Goody won't walk.

Was thinking this earlier. Last year we had so many injuries I guess it was a bit harder, but can't be a continued excuse. We don't drop senior players. In fact I'm not sure there is an example of any tough/ruthless decisions within the club.

When we got Lever, Hibberd and Langdon it was well reported during the season that they were likely to come to us. However I feel the journos are less reliable or more trash to sort through now.

I look at a game plan as each play having a % chance of working out. An attacking game plan which requires shorter kicks and more hand balls needs each possession to work at a significantly higher % rate to work compared to a kick it long and direct one. More possessions to gain ground without turning it over needs players to create space and foot skills to maintain a high % of retention and/or gut running through the midfield for a chain of handballs. There is no room for error or a weak link and the team has to be on the same page and know exactly what we are trying to do. Personally I'd put our best marks and readers of flight into the forwards and just get it in there if they can't spot a open target. 3 players need to go in there. Gawn, May/Lever, and Viney as a hard at it forward crummer. Campbell to ruck, Johnson back and Kossie/Sparrow splitting the midfield time. % ball FTW!

I don't think it's rubbish post. You could debate Oliver is or was a problem that started more problems no matter how good he is it was. One thing is crystal clear from this thread is that there are spot fire problems everywhere. Problems that may or may not be the problems affecting success on field. Problems that we are speculating on. I don't think anyone really knows what the problems are tbh. I sure can't see the spot fires stop spreading until change happens. Our list is stale. Hasn't changed much in 3 years. No decent player from another club since May. We never try players in new positions. We never make the tough list decisions. Out with the questionable and in with the new as it's overdue for change. I like the idea of Viney as a small forward. Maybe Campbell to ruck and play Gawn a bit of everywhere. Gawn with May or Lever forward again and just kick it in there. At least they can read the flight well and take a mark. More likely to work than the last few years of our forward line. How about a "crazy rotation" game plan where we are constantly switching positions. I probably sound crazy to most now but I'd rather "something" than what we are getting.

I agree it's time to cash in on those like Kossie where there are doubts about commitment. I don't think a full rebuild or any bottoming out is the answer. We are better off just adjusting the list like a few other clubs have done successfully over the last few years. If we can't recruit anyone with the picks then yes go to draft but we can't afford to do what Richmond is doing now and the Kangas did. If we get a new coach that can get the energy back into the group then there is no reason we can't be a top side. Geelong has held up so well. It feels like we've been calling them old and waiting for them to plummet for 10 years now and I see us in a very similar position to where they where or now are.

No damn rebuild. Make some tough list calls and trade for ready made talent. Why? We don't have our first pick. We still have generational talent. Other teams have shown that a rebuild is not required rather a rejig. We are on shaky ground off the field and the post Daniher era showed perhaps a rebuild is not the way. We can't do that again. We can't be like North was. We adjust and go full steam head. No losing culture again.

I agree with most here the time is now for Simon to go. Don't think it's time to think for a rebuild as we haven't got next next years first and perhaps whoever coaches next will tell the players they have faith we can still make the 8 and bring and bring some spark back and hope of success. We can't lay out swords down and have the attitude this group of players are not capable as what will the senior players motivation be to be at the club anymore. We all painfully remember the post Daniher era and the mistakes of the first rebuild. We need to model a transition of change like other sides have done recently. Priority number one is not letting the players feel there is no success to play for. The Bulldogs come to mind as a club who is has seen big name players leave but have managed to stay competitive. I was never a fan of Bevo until I thought about how much his back was against the wall and what they have done so far this year. Swans and Geelong are more examples of how to manage change when the time comes.

He stuffed up saying 2 or 3 first round picks. That means 2.

Swap that demon with this!

Someone made this 10 years ago. Don't think the demon is perfect but it's not bad.

I don't get Windsor and Rivers swapping places, makes little sense. Both should be in the mids bar injuries. How's Melksham looking? If fit he should be best 22. Need Billings out of best 22. Hope he proves me/us wrong though. Agree with those that say we need Johnson/Campbell in side. Backline looks a bit out of balance ATM. 3 talls. May and Lever next to each other. Bit of a concern when ball hits the deck. Bowey and Salem both need to lift this year. Windsor I always imagined we drafted as a winger. Rotation of players through the mids is critical due to lack of depth. Forwards can't get any worse than last year. Chandler not a pocket player, gotta be half forward. Keep Trac a mid only this year. Get Lindsay in best 22 asap. Prefer max of 2 talls in fwrd line Just my rambling thoughts...

Twomey got as taking Lindsey instead of Allen after saying Allen might be taken at 6 by Tigers. Tigers take Allen after our 2nd pick. Sure. Makes sense.

I have zero worries about Langford and speed. Yes Bont and Cripps were picked on for it in pre-draft profiles. Does Langford near top of 2km time trial counter that fresh speed though? I'm all in on Langford at 5. Bo Allan another beast midfielder who has little flaws. I'd be super happy with these two. I couldn't think of a better result personally. I have this hunch that we will select Travaglia though. His profile screams what JT loves. However... I've been left disappointed in the past and I'm nervous. Those saying all recruiters would of taken Weideman over Curnow/McKay. Then praise JT for getting later picks right. I say this. We took Weideman, JT and team can only take the blame, no excuses. It was obvious Weideman wasn't a competitive beast. Secondly if JT hasn't learnt the lesson that picking a key forward in the top 10 is a gamble after that then doing it again is so damn stupid. If we take Armstrong I'll spew. I'll be ropable. Finally on a positive note it's great to see we have talked to perhaps all the top names and probably linked with most the top 10. Over to you JT.