Demonsone

Spot on.....

One wonders what the real reasons are for seeking a trade for Watts? He's shown what he can do & it begs the question, what has [censored] of the coaches & leadership group to get to this? I dare say only Jack & club will ever know!

Frustrating that a 31yo Lewis who has climbed the mountain 4 times, and finished equal 3rd B&F.... Watts finished 21st & understand injury etc but need to question the mindset and motivation difference between the two players...Lewis thanked his coaches how they helped him do extras etc and how Viney tried to keep up with Oliver's extras etf but couldn't match him. I understand different players will be motivated & do more to get better and this would be across all clubs, the question is what motivates Watts to get better? I would want nothing more than to see him succeed & be a premiership player @ the MFC!

Great effort Olivef & shows what hard work can do .. Rapt for Jetta as has worked so hard! New recruiters Hibbered & Lewis top 6! Frustrating to see Watts come 21st..

My thoughts have wavered.... Watts is much as a victim to the train wreck of a club when he first arrived to not preparing himself & not playing to his full potential since 2014! The sad part is that he has shown what he can do & what his full potential could be! Im sure the coaching & fitness staff are correct in their assessments etc but I think another season is warranted .

spud!

1- Goody & co stick to your plan & ignore the noise! If Richmond listened they would have sacked the board & the coach! 2- Need to be patient as it took Hardwick 8 seasons to win a flag & some auppprtes are questioning Goody after 1 .. lol! 3- Continue to improve the list & get players who can play high intensity/ pressure footy which wins finals. 4- Tigers gun players were all 26+ yo & played in access of 150 games.. All of our up young guns are between 20-24 & played below 100 games & a lot below 50!

Not saying they are as good as the Rich players yet but the age & game difference.... Reality is they have over 400 games more experience and we need to be patient as hard as it is!

Just to clarify it took Hardwick 8 seasons to win a flag, finished 13th in 2016 and they wanted a new board & to sack the coach! I think we can allow Goodwin to coach after his 1st season! Just to compare our lists, I took their gun players vs ours. A bit of perspective? Reiwolt 225 games 28yo Hogan 51 games 22yo Cotchin 198 games 27yo Viney 88 games 23yo Martin 178 games 26yo Petracca 39games 21yo Rance 175 games 27yo Oliver 35 games 20yo Tom Mac 126 games 25yo

Comparisons of our list vs Tigers Reiwolt 225 games 28yo Hogan 51 games 22yo Cotchin 198 games 27yo Viney 88 games 23yo Martin 178 games 26yo Petracca 39games 21yo Rance 175 games 27yo Oliver 35 games 20yo Tom Mac 126 games 25yo Jones 239 games 29 yo I think we forget that the experience is whats its all about & there is plenty of other talent we have playing 2nd/3rd season around 20-24 yo

Try & explain 53 years to a 53 yo!

Feel the frustration & suffering member also . Reality is tigers come 13th last year & lost by 100pts in the last game & they wanted to sack the coach & change the board .. Tigers stars are in their late 20s vs ours barring Jones are in their early 20s ... still [censored] in missing finals but perspective I guess . The era of 07-13 were diabolical in every way & perhaps no top 20 pick is still at out club bar Watts for now! Set our club back a decade & a complete rebuild has taken place & we forget its Goodwins 1st year vs Hardwick 8 seasons & players who have been around the same time.. Still [censored] as I'm the only person in my family & friends who has not seen there team win a flag! Only Melb & Saints remain with the longest drought!

Fed up watching other fans celebrating flags! Im now the only person within my family & friends who have yet to see a premiership .., Can't even make fun of tigers supporters I know anymore! l

Reality is look at Tigers key players all in their mid to late 20s,,, Our list is still very young...

Lesson here is...Stick to the plan, improve the list & ignore the noise! Only 12mths ago they wanted to change the board & sack Hardwick!

I think Goody started this week with Watts!

Everyone is having a crack at Goody etc Roos said based on talent & not knowing what's happening with Watts behind the scenes etc he wouldn't trade him.. I guess if we got Lever from this trade are we complaining? Plenty of examples of clubs trading early picks to improve their lists!

Were not the only club to trade a high draft pick player... Croad was traded from Hawthorn to the Fremantle Dockers at the end of 2001. The picks given up by Fremantle were used by Hawthorn to select Hawthorn stars Luke Hodge and Sam Mitchell

What about the 2yrs as assistant, thats 3 years that his looked at all the players inc Watts. Love to keep Watts the question is if its a deal breaker to get Lever do you roll the dice with Watts vs the upside of Lever @ 22yo?

https://www.sen.com.au/.../roos-and-schwarz-urge-dees-to.../ Very interesting by Roos, Im sure Goody will still be talking to Roos & bouncing ideas of him etc.

One of the darkest periods of the MFC resulted in burning a bucket load of early picks, either through picking he wrong players & definitely poor development/culture, but thats the past! Current regime need to make tough decisions to improve the list & bring in players who can play the intensity required to not only play but win finals inc a flag. On current form since 2014 they have continued to increase wins & improve our list. If it means Watts going to get Lever its worth it as you need to give something up to get something. Question is can Watts improve anymore vs what improvement Lever can.

Overall we finished 9th on the brownlow team ladder much like the season ladder! Positive is we had the most amount of players poll votes which means an even contribution! Reality we don't yet have an outright star/s who can poll high votes.

Matin polled 36 of the 80 tigers got... Dees got 68 votes id say in the top 8 of clubs

Yeah thr at Gws Kelly & Wines Port

Bottom line is we only 1 player to get double digits .. Oliver a second year player.. there were clubs who finished below us who polled more.. understand it's about team etc but we lack genuin guns! Our drafting continues to hurt us Kelly 21pts, Wines 19 ...