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So what the article is are saying is that the club claimed that its employee failed to put in place a program to ensure the players did not contravene the anti doping code. Which means that the club had no system in place to ensure that no breaches took place. By their own admission they had no system to guarantee that they did not break the rules. Sorry but what was Essendon's defence again? We had no system. We have no records. We ordered and paid for stuff. Sometimes the good stuff. We paid for the stuff to be administered. We don't know what the stuff was. But none of our players took illegal substances. - According to our records which we don't have. And anyway how dare ASADA get help from the AFL after all we self reported and invited them in because we knew our shredders are really fast and they wouldn't find anything. But now it's all looking ugly, and can we blame the umpire or Andrew D or the AFL or ASADA or WADA or the system or a rogue employee or 2? No not James he has golden hair and he knows what we do with goats down at the lodge. GUILTY

http://www.ausport.gov.au/supporting/integrity_in_sport/anti_doping/anti_-_doping_policy#7 Extract from AIS Anti Doping Policy. - Note Red print is my highlight. Article 7 Proof of doping 7.1 Burdens and standards of proof ASADA or the ASC shall have the burden of establishing that an anti-doping rule violation has occurred. The standard of proof shall be whether ASADA or the ASC has established an anti-doping rule violation to the comfortable satisfaction of the hearing panel bearing in mind the seriousness of the allegation that is made. This standard of proof in all cases is greater than a mere balance of probability but less than proof beyond a reasonable doubt. Where this Policy places the burden of proof upon the Athlete or other Person alleged to have committed an anti-doping rule violation to rebut a presumption or establish specified facts or circumstances, the standard of proof shall be by a balance of probability, except as provided in Articles 19.5 and 19.7 where the Athlete must satisfy a higher burden of proof. 12 NB:- to the comfortable satisfaction. http://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/undauslr14&div=5&id=&page= This is a third standard of proof and lies between "beyond reasonable doubt" and "balance of probabilities". Note:- It is up to the athlete or other person to rebut the preusmption of guilt.

I think EFC taking ASADA to the federal court is bringing the game into disrepute. This is a new offence. The AFL could tell EFC to follow the normal process, they can still have their day in court. To claim ASADA have operated improperly is a blight on our game. This will not clear EFC's name, this cannot make them innocent. It is a legal ploy by EFC. The AFL have signed up to be under the ASADA umbrella, by extension that includes EFC. For EFC to challenge ASADA they question the AFL and the other 17 clubs. The clubs and the AFL should demand that EFC follow the legal process as agreed by all parties. This stalling attempt by EFC creates disharmony and disdain. Further it brings the game into disrepute. It cannot give them the day in court to clear their names they craved for only last year. If EFC think they have done no wrong they should fight the charges not the system. We should call on the AFL to tell EFC to take their medicine or fight the charges not the system.

Use or attempted use. Administration or attempted administration... If the EFC attempted to purchase and or administer a prohibited substance they are stuffed. They could have been sold a placebo. Still stuffed. If Dank stole the Beta 4 and sold it elsewhere, they are still stuffed. As Hird said, "get me the good stuff". Whether it was provided or administered is of no legal consequence. They are stuffed.

That bothered me too.

I was very loud, and they were suffering, for many reasons. As if barracking for those cheats isn't bad enough they were about to lose to us, and they have no respect for Melbourne. As they left I said it's only 4 points, they argued only 1, not on the ladder it isn't I countered and either you are 145 points worse than last year or we are 145 better. Heads down they left, don/t think they liked my singing.

When the opposition says they are not looking forward to playing us, because they always pull up sore.

If he had played on the risk was the siren might go ---no score. From a mark he could soak up time and take a set shot, smart play I say.

Rope a dope comes to mind, We just soaked up the pressure and when the time came we pulled the trigger, BANG! Dope--- seems fitting doesn't it?

Yes you can. From ASADA 8 anti doping rule violations.. https://asada.gov.au/rules_and_violations/8_rule_violations.html 2. Use or attempted use by an athlete of a prohibited substance or prohibited method. 6. Possession of prohibited substances and prohibited methods. 7. Trafficking or attempted trafficking in any prohibited substance or prohibited method. 8. Administration or attempted administration to any athlete in-competition of any prohibited method or prohibited substance, or administration or attempted administration to any athlete out-of-competition of any prohibited method or any prohibited substance that is prohibited out-of-competition, or assisting, encouraging, aiding, abetting, covering up or any other type of complicity involving an Anti-Doping Rule Violation or any attempted Anti-Doping Rule Violation.

The Essendon supporters sitting in front of me started to complain about my cheering in the last quarter. (Stuff them you say) So I didn't cheer for the Salem goal, I just listened... and felt it. Awesome! After the siren I sang the song, looked around and saw my son and wife looking at me, smiling, they knew I was happy. Really happy.

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Anyone that has not made a mistake put your hand up........................ mmmm no one, as I thought, you're forgiven. Welcome back HH Great win. It makes the drive back to Mansfield worth it. Believe me I have had some long depressing drives over the last few years. Even my wife enjoyed the last quarter, she talked about the game most of the way home, and she hates football! Note to all the Melbourne supporters at the ground. We were loud, really loud. The players would have felt that.

"We will not be bullied." Paul Little Funny how often you hear a bully complaining about bullying when someone challenges them. Taking ASADA to the Federal Court and blaming everyone but themselves sounds like the behavior of a trapped bully to me.

Any switched on QC's out there looking to drum up a class action?

I would like to see someone with integrity come out and tell the truth, that someone could be Jobe Watson. I think he is strong enough to tell the truth. I hope he does.

Paul Little, is complaining about the process and illegality of methods used in gathering information. No mention made about the information being wrong, just that it was gathered illegally. Essendon continue to blame everyone but themselves. A mention of EFC being punished for bringing the game into disrepute, as if that was the only punishment due to them. And that it was their punishment for Thymosin Beta4, it was not. The AFL punishment was broadly based around the program and its failings not the actual substances administered. They are delusional. I would suggest that the drawing out of this matter may give the AFL another opportunity for penalising them for again bringing the game into disrepute. The spin about the AFL community supporting them is misguided. I think the AFL community feels for the players, not the club.

Finally a worthy piece of journalism. http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/time-to-put-players-club-and-the-game-ahead-of-lengthy-legal-stoush-20140613-zs6zp.html Caroline Wilson hits it on the head. I wonder if Robbo and Barrett could ever be so insightful. No I don't, they have proven to be incapable and incompetent for so long that I am actually starting to like Caro. I miss Mike Sheahan.

I love those questions. When did you stop beating your wife? What is your excuse for speeding? I empathise with your situation but in your defence would you say you were a liar or a cheat? Edit- remove typo.

A small problem here, a lot of the facts have gone missing. EFC have lost/destroyed/hidden/not kept the records that may now be called upon to clear them.

And it still hurts. I had 31 on my woolen jumper. I think it scarred me for life, I still HATE Carlton and to this day cannot stand a woolen jumper against my bare skin.

I think the AFL are happy for ASADA to do the hard yards on this. They can be seen to admonish the bad behavior of the EFC but to support the players and club for the good of the competition. I think their position is predictable. I also think James Hird is still in the AFL's guns. I'd be happy to take bets that he never coaches AFL again.

vas te faire encule AFL! - James Hird

With him they buried the muzzle his teeth had kissed, And truthfully wrote the Mother “Tim died smiling.” The last 2 lines of the Wilfred Owen poem SIW Self Inflicted Wound. I cannot help but think, I wonder if James Hird is smiling? EFC suffer at their own hands. No one else is to blame, incompetence is no excuse. The path that EFC took was to gain advantage, to bend the rules to push the boundaries, to cheat. That path has led them here, it is the path they chose to take. Distraction and obfuscation will work no more. If the EFC suffer it is at their own hands, a Self Inflicted Wound. NB: I acknowledge that EFC's actions are inconsequential in comparison to war, but the AFL is not a war, it is a sport and EFC have violated our game. May they die smiling.

They are cheats! They deserve to be punished. It is a good thing when cheats get caught. I think it has a cleansing effect, somewhat like lancing a boil.