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Praising bringing the ball to the ground always makes me laugh, gravity has always been good at that.

But he is right on this issue, other than his personal attacks which are unnecessary he makes valid points.

How an organisation should handle inappropriate behavior. Worth watching to the end only 3 minutes. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaqpoeVgr8U

No doubt, but should she really have to? But if you want to listen to a beautiful slap down from a woman. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOPsxpMzYw4

I think you are right, but there is a time and a place. She is working on live TV, she is put upon, how should she react? What if she was interested but did not want to let on on national TV? It was simply the wrong time and place to make a pass like that. He should have waited until she was not working on live TV, he may have received a more positive outcome. If he really wanted to go out with her he would have waited, so what he was infact doing was playing a power game, he intended to make her uncomfortable. Sleezebag! Edit:- Gayle not you.

SWYL you keep saying she should have done something. Why should she have to do anything? By suggesting it is up to her to put him in his place you suggest that it is her responsibility. That is placing a burden / responsibility on the victim. By doing that you have placed blame on the victim, (she should have done....) The extension can be drawn that women should not wear short skirts or reveal too much skin or go out after dark or should put sexual harasses in their place, can you see that? This is not a personal attack, but we need to be aware that our words, actions and inaction's have an effect on others, you have said that you have been a victim of discrimination. You should not have to defend yourself, good on you that you have but it is not your or her responsibility. As a community we need to protect those that are discriminated against, are harassed or victimised. You are no doubt a strong character and have found ways to get on in life, not every victim is able to do that. We need to help all victims without asking more of them.

Why should it be the victims job to have ago at the perpetrator? They are both working, it is not appropriate. If he had waited until they were off air IMO it is not as bad. If his team mates egged him on that makes it worse for the victim. Kick the [censored] out. Stop blaming the victim. PS: - I have been inappropriate and I am no angel but at least I know what is wrong and when and how to apologise. And its starts and ends with I am sorry. (No conditions)

Welcome to the nut house D Voted, enjoy the pre-season.It gets ratty here when we lose.

Jones gives 100% all the time, he leads by example, come on boys follow Jonesy or enjoy Casey.

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OK that is very suspicious. OK beeb off to the gallows with them.

Can I preface this by saying I think Essendon & the players are guilty. I am not aware of any such leak from the CAS hearing. If Richard Young presented said evidence and the small number of players questioned did not mention it you are jumping to conclusions to suggest they were lying. The players questioned may have only been given x & y, others may have had xy&z. Perhaps we are talking about the earlier hearing, perhaps the players were told that they did not receive z so they would all deny it. I don't think this is the "admission of unequivocal guilt" that we hope for.

So nothing official yet. Why would the players story match Richard Young's he is the WADA lawyer? That is not proof, that is an opposing point of view (At this stage).

Sorry Beeb did I miss something? Where has it been reported that the players did not tell the truth to ASADA?

Thanks for the pics. Great work. Can we fix the typo in the title? traing. It makes my head hurt.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-12-22/fine-essendon-610k-over-safety-breaches-court-told WORKSAFE Victoria has asked a magistrate to fine Essendon more than $610,000 for risking its players' health and failing to provide a safe workplace during the ill-fated 2012 supplements program. The club will be sentenced on January 28 after formally admitting to two charges of breaching the Occupational Health and Safety Act.

Ross Ray QC today told the Melbourne Magistrates Court players were instructed to keep the program a secret by club leaders including James Hird "to maintain Essendon's competitive advantage". This is nothing to do with ASADA, this is in answer to the WorkSafe QC's questioning. This is not quoted as an answer to ASADA , WADA or CAS. It is possible that is in relation to a group of activities and practises that are not illegal. (Pigs might fly) Beeb I think you may have joined one too many dots, I am not saying you are wrong but it is not, "an admission of unequivocal guilt."

Beeb, although i agree with you on most of the EFC fracas I do not believe it to be an admission of unequivocal guilt. If you believe that you have IP or some legal advantage over a competitor why would you share it? It is normal practice to keep advantages a secret from competitors. Clubs do not share game plans they are secret. I think the EFC are guilty as sin but this is not an admission of guilt. In my opinion the secret was about illegal practices but it may apply to legal measures as well.

From:- The Age AFL: Essendon showed 'significant disregard' for players' safety Date December 22, 2015 - 11:27AM Mark Russell, Tammy Mills The Essendon Football Club had been guilty of "a significant measure of disregard" for the safety of its payers when subjecting them to the controversial supplements program, a court has heard. Barrister Ross Ray, QC, representing WorkSafe, told the Melbourne Magistrates Court that Essendon's conduct had been a substantial departure of its duty of care to a relatively large number of young and vulnerable players put at risk by the experimental program. Mr Ray said that because of poor record-keeping when the program was in place, it was impossible to say with certainty what substances had been administered to the players by sports scientist Stephen Dank. He said the program's vagueness and imprecision had been part of the "unsafe system". Advertisement The barrister told magistrate Peter Reardon there was no evidence that the substances given to the players had been harmful to their health or any player had been affected by being injected with them, but their health continued to be monitored. But Mr Ray said the evidence painted a disturbing picture of an out-of-control pharmacological experiment. Asked by Mr Reardon if Dank had had any medical qualifications, Mr Ray said: "No." Essendon formally pleaded guilty on Tuesday to two charges of breaching the Occupational Health and Safety Act by risking its players' health and failing to provide a safe working environment over the supplements program between December 2011 to January 15, 2012 and January 15 to September, 2012. The Bombers failed to reduce the risk to players by not providing the club doctor with a summary of literature about the supplement that included the scientific and common name, all clinical findings both positive and negative, known or potential side-effects and a statement saying it did not contravene any World Anti-Doping Authority (WADA) guidelines. The club doctor failed to make a recommendation about the suitability of the substance for the players and the players were not given a letter of informed consent to sign by the club doctor if they were recommended to use the substance. The maximum penalty for the offences under section 21 (1) and (2) (a) of the Occupational Health and Safety Act 2004 is a fine of $305,350. One former player, rookie Hal Hunter, won a recent Supreme Court judgment ordering the AFL to provide him with more documents about the supplements program to help him decide if he should sue the club. Hunter, 22, a contracted player with the Bombers from December 2011 before being delisted in September 2013, claimed he was worried about his health after being subjected to the supplements program run by Dank. Hunter claimed he did not know what was exactly in the substances injected into him. The club claimed it did not have any documents from Dank recording Hunter being injected with the substances AOD-9604 or Thymosin Beta-4. Hunter's lawyers wanted more details on the Powerpoint presentation to the players between February and March 2012 supporting the supplements program and vouched for by the then senior coach James Hird and senior players and attended by Dank and other staff, and where players were assured the program was ASADA and WADA compliant. The Court of Arbitration for Sport has yet to hand down a decision on the WADA appeal against the AFL anti-doping tribunal's not guilty finding on 34 past and present Essendon players in May. The hearing continues. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/afl-essendon-pleads-guilty-to-risking-players-health-with-supplements-20151221-glt0l6.html#ixzz3v0OqO0Jt

This is fantastic, some would call it a cluster ####

Fantastic, thanks.

Never thought I would point out an error in Hemingway.

He may not even be the best ruck at WCE Nicholas Naitanui Name Scott Lycett West Coast Eagles Team West Coast Eagles Ruck Position Forward, Ruck 131 Career Games 28 Swan Districts Origin Port Magpies May 4, 1990 Date of Birth September 26, 1992 25yr 7mth Age 23yr 2mth 201cm Height 203cm 107kg Weight 103kg 2008 National Draft Last Drafted In 2010 National Draft Round 1, Pick #2 Last Draft Position Round 2, Pick #29 West Coast Eagles Last Drafted By West Coast Eagles 2015 Stats for Season 2015 23 Games 6 5.7 Kicks Per Game 5.8 5.9 Handballs Per Game 5.3 11.6 Disposals Per Game 11.2 1.4 Marks Per Game 3.0 0.7 Goals Per Game 0.5 0.6 Behinds Per Game 0.3 3.6 Tackles Per Game 3.3 34.0 Hitouts Per Game 16.3 2.7 Inside 50s Per Game 1.7 0.2 Goal Assists Per Game 0.2 1.8 Frees For Per Game 1.0 Good old Max has better stats Nicholas Naitanui Name Max Gawn West Coast Eagles Team Melbourne Demons Ruck Position Forward, Ruck 131 Career Games 39 Swan Districts Origin Sandringham Dragons May 4, 1990 Date of Birth December 30, 1991 25yr 7mth Age 23yr 11mth 201cm Height 208cm 107kg Weight 111kg 2008 National Draft Last Drafted In 2009 National Draft Round 1, Pick #2 Last Draft Position Round 3, Pick #34 West Coast Eagles Last Drafted By Melbourne Demons 2015 Stats for Season 2015 23 Games 13 5.7 Kicks Per Game 5.5 5.9 Handballs Per Game 8.0 11.6 Disposals Per Game 13.5 1.4 Marks Per Game 4.5 0.7 Goals Per Game 0.5 0.6 Behinds Per Game 0.3 3.6 Tackles Per Game 2.2 34.0 Hitouts Per Game 37.3 2.7 Inside 50s Per Game 1.7 0.2 Goal Assists Per Game 0.4 1.8 Frees For Per Game 1.2