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If Goody or any first time coach took over from Neeld, and had Roos' record of finishing 17th, 13th, 11th and lost their final game by 111 points, they would have been sacked. If the subsequent coach took us to a flag, would you be giving the plaudits to that coach, as you are with Roos?

I just want to refute this narrative that Paul Roos developed young talent, and changed the club culture. I suggest you listen to a podcast by Dylan Buckley with James Harmes, which was recorded in the week leading up to the GF. Harmes said that when he started at the club, which was the same time as Roos, the young players weren't given any guidance as to how and where they would fit into the senior team. They would just play for Casey and hope they could break in. Now all the young players are given clear guidance as to where they'll fit into the team, and what they need to do to achieve that. Case in point is Jason Taylor coming out and saying Van Rooyan will be developed as a forward. I'd also suggest you listen to Dylan Buckley's podcast with Max Gawn. It goes for over an hour, and covers a lot about the club. When asked who changed the culture of the club, Max said one word, "Goody". When talking about Roos, Max laughs and says that the players loved it when Roos arrived. After training 9-5 under Neeld, Max says that Roos was a family man, so would leave training at 1PM. So the players would leave after him. And listening to a recent interview with Goody, the only compliment he gave Roos was to say that he delegated authority. This narrative that Roos changed the culture, and was a big factor in our flag win, has to stop.

Chris Johnson was in the rooms after the game.

Been a long time absentee, but constant lurker. Thanks for showing this. That's me talking to Strawbs O'Dwyer at the end of the game. 1:30:10. I met his sister whilst backpacking, and spent a week travelling together.

Cheers.

ET, I'm curious to know what the most minor offence that someone can be charged for sexual assault?

Why is this an issue for the players? They are professionals, and the club isn't asking them to partake in a training excercise during their scheduled leave break.

The issue isn't whether or not you think that Boot Camps are just macho/bravo BS. The big issue is that the Leadershp Players didn't have the balls to sit down with the Football Dept and address their concerns, instead of running to the Players Association. I can't think of another instance where a sporting team has basically raised OH&S as a reason for not partaking in a training excercise. It's embarassing for the club, and I really feel for Goodwin.

Don't forget that we were twice penalised with loss of draft picks in his early days (salary cap and Jeff White). He wouldn't have had many top 10 picks during his time. Of the top of my head, he had his fair share of successes (Farmer, Woey, Scott Thompson, Davey, Leoncelli, J. McDonald), many of whom were rookie listed. He was a genius compared to Prendergast.

Now I realise that my lack of "mindfulness" is the reason I never became an elite footballer. Lack of skill, endurance, pace and courage were merely minor flaws to my game. In all seriousness, every year the media picks out something quirky that the Premiership team has implemented, and infers that it played a major factor. First it was boot camps, then it became Leading Teams. "Mindfulness" will become the new buzzword. How was the Tigers "mindfulness" when they were constantly losing close games early in the year?

How can Robbie Flower not be on the list? PS: Can you at least spell their names right.

And I think you are being generous. He's been slaughtered in the past 2 VFL finals series.

I haven't got an issue with the highlighted point, but your initial post simply cast aspersions on Crameri's character, without any substance.

Do you think that Dustin Martin and Swanny go to the US to see the sights? Martin is such a bad influence on the Tiges.

Crameri on a base salary for 1 year makes sense. He would be legitimate depth, unlike Weid and Tim Smith, who haven't shown anything yet at AFL level.

If that's the case, then either Adelaide or Carlton would have received something significantly less, or we gave up a required player. So what would have been a fair 3 way trade? The Gibbs deal was more dependant on the Cameron trade than the Lever deal.

As expected, a fair amount of time spent on the Jack Watts trade. Here are a few points: • Jack Watts trade - received about 300-400 supporters commplaining before and after the trade. • Garry Lyon suggested Goodwin's B&F speech about competitiveness and professionalism alluded to JW. PJ pointed out the young talent on our list, and the need for the senior players to be role models. • There was only 1 club seriously interested in him, and that was PA. Geelong's offer would have made the supporters livid. And based on his football record to date, we couldn't expect a 1st round pick. • We are paying about 15% of his contract over 2 years, which works out to $75,000 per year. Suggested that the deal wouldn't have got done without that. • Jake Lever's trade equated to giving up pick 5. Mahoney and Viney had been into Lever for a long time. • Max Gawn expected to re-sign before the season commences, and would put him amongst the highest paid players at the club. • Looking for a permanent training facility within the CBD. Won't be easy with so many stakeholders involved. • PJ signed until the end of the 2018, and spoke about the importance of implementing a succession plan. Someone texted in saying that Lewis was a bust. PJ said that Lewis and Daniel Cross before him, had a huge impact on the levels of professionalism on the training track. The players previously didn't understand what was required. Audio here: https://player.whooshkaa.com/episode/?id=149541

Laurie Fowler (3 Blueys) in for Yeats, and Sean Wight in for Hughes. Tingay ahead of all those listed on interchange and emergencies. And Garry Baker on the bench as 2nd ruckman.

So you would have been ok if we got pick 95 for Watts, if Port paid all of his salary? You can't have it both ways with a contracted player that you are looking to move on.

Does someone like COYB really know what levels of professionalism the club expects of its senior players? I've always been a massive critic of our FDs in the past, but in this instance I'm in agreement, based on what I see of Jack Watts the footballer.

And as such, your commentary of events has been emotional rather than rational. Your perception of Jack Watts the footballer, is blinkered by your feelings of Jack Watts the person. The FD's decision was based on cold hard facts, not emotion. And that's how a Football Department should operate.

You read my mind. His "highlights package" actually showed him missing a goal from 2 metres out.

Rockliff is an absolute stat padder. He racks up possessions that don't hurt the opposition. Fagan had the courage to move him on. Watts and Motlop are both questionable commodities.

Champagne comedy!!!!

Maybe that's the culture at the club that Goodwin's trying to change. The players get too comfortable in their skins, and the results prove it. We have a great win against all odds, then lose a game we're expected to win.