Red and Blue realist

So comparing the 2 potential offers for pick 3 (allowing for 2 potential academy & F/S bids before pick 15): GWS have 13 & 21 - so would have to offer up either players or future picks, but they have academy kids coming through next year as well. GC have 17 & 22 - and don't really have any players they could attach, so would either need additional picks this or next year. Maybe that was why they got give the mid first next year, so it's on-traded? Hopefully it just means GWS have to put up a better player.

And yet you compared him with Lewis earlier in the thread, when Lewis played a fair bit of this year as a lock down forward. Why does every player have to be compared to ANB as well? Billy got a heap of opportunity to show what he could do in his best spot, is say there's a chance we might rookie him if the suns don't, but he's had a lot of chances to own the position we're clearly trying to fill this trade period.

No matter how much talent you have there's still a massive amount of luck needed!

Spot on, but had they made massive wholesale changes to their playing personnel would they have been able to make those other adjustments? It's A lot easier to make game plan changes when the team are already very familiar with each other.

The Tigers after 2016 were criticised for not making a heap of list changes, they got in Nank, Prestia and Caddy, but at that stage they weren't seen as a massive boost (Prestia had the biggest wraps but little to no other suitors). Of course 2017 rolls around, they have a blessed run with injuries and because the group had been together they took it out. Not saying I'm convinced but glad the club doesn't overreact like all on here. Bringing in Langdon, Tomlinson and maybe Elliot or someone else might be all we need.

Spot on, his hunger will come from being moved on from a club, not from missing out in the big dance. There's a chance he could be left out of the team if Cogs and Whitfield are right, they'll need to find 3 spots (Greene as well).

Given Tony Sheahan said it, it's now much less likely that Tomlinson is headed our way. He gets more wrong than anyone else in the media, he only gets it 'right' once the deals are done and well known. Well and truly the worst of any journalist who has a crack at trade week.

It has hurt the chances of potentially splitting with them, won't mean we won't be getting creative somehow. This year Freo will need later picks for their NGA guy, next year the Dogs have a very highly rated kid coming through. So next years picks could certainly be in play. For instance offering the Dogs our 1st next year for their 1st this year and a couple of this years 3rds. Then we could package up our 3 3ds for Langdon, while keeping our 2nd.

If they didn't get the PP, or it ended up later than pick 2, then maybe we could arrange to trade pick 2 to them, with extra's coming back - picks, King etc. with a handshake agreement that if Langdon goes to the PSD they don't touch him. Highly doubtful it's going to happen anyway.

Nothing that will impact anything he does for the Dees.

I highly doubt it will happen, so I'll say that first. but don't rule out the pre-season draft. Langdon is desperate to get out of Freo now, he's not leaving on good terms with some teammates. So if Freo stuff around, there's a chance he'll walk himself. players normally don't go to the PSD because they are grateful for the opportunities given and want their former club to get something, but he wants out as soon as possible and structured his life to do that.

Think his manger has talked him up big time and got into Frost's head that he's worth a whole lot more than he really is. That's ok, he's 26 has had his best season yet, so it's not surprising, but I think there's a lot of clubs that'll be intrigued with his athleticism but when they get into the contract/trade side might cool off. Fair chance we might be happy to wait and then only offer a 1 year reduced deal and let him show that he's worthy of bigger $

Won't be until a few days after the granny, the AFL know how to manage the media so after the results have died down a bit they'll bank on a heap of uproar/talk about the PP

Mention here that we'd want more than just the giants 2 first round picks - https://www.afl.com.au/news/2019-08-29/why-the-giants-are-eyeing-off-the-demons-no2-draft-pick

It was talked up at the time that we beat multiple clubs to get Tyson. I don't think GWS slipping down the draft order is a bad thing for us, gives us more leverage in who we ask for, and getting Tomlinson will help too, he's got a great reputation with teammates

He reinjured it as well in the game against us, hopefully he gets it right, hate seeing players careers ruined by injury

He was a massive Buckley fanboi as well, plus he was told his best position was as a back. There was no low balling, he would have been paid more by us, that was well known at the time.

Don't agree with all of it, but love that you had a crack. I wish more posters on here would give up their thoughts/ideas on what their ideal trade period looks like, but suspect most don't because other instantly go negative on it.

Highly doubt it, here's an extract from the little paper: PAUL PUOPOLO (HAW) Another one who is up for grabs. Melbourne needs some help in the small forward department but the Dees don’t seem to be interested. Cards look marked at the Hawks.

Depends if he's standing 25 metres away in between his man and the ball! Happened a lot this year. Yes he's not a bad shut down player but we've played it best in the last 2 seasons with a zone defence, so a pure shut down role doesn't fit that model.

I'd be asking if he can play rather than getting fixated on his height, no point getting an unco baby giraffe just for the sake of getting taller players

Going to come through as a Cat B rookie, meaning he'd be a free hit. We've tried with Maynard, J.Smith, Walker and Bradkte over the last few years, and none have worked out to well so far, but JSmith certainly looked the goods and Bradtke has a lot of time to develop. I don't see why we don't try with a guy who costs us nothing except development time and energy, guys drafted from the under-ages can bust just the same but they cost cap space and a draft pick to get them.

Caleb Daniel goes alright

Seemed like the kind of interviews de-listed players have in the lead up to the draft and in particular the pre-season supplementary selection period last year.Guys like Nathan Freemon, Jimmy Toumpas, Hugh Goddard etc. all did similar on SEN.

The offers would have come before this year, they would have come on the back of what he did in the finals and what he would have been projected to do. We'll never know of course, but I have no doubt if we put both on the market we'd get a whole lot more for Weid than Frost.