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Think he went overseas for couple of weeks

Does anyone think roos moving chip back to defence over the last 2-3 weeks and has stated he'll say there means he could be staying ? It seems odd his played forward all year and all of a sudden they've moved him back. Seems like maybe roos has left him forward and thought il let the back 6 develope without chip and now maybe behind the scenes his agreed to terms his moved back to defence where roos sees him playing a role in the years to come ? I just find it odd why his moved back all of a sudden

Anyone think John Butcher from port could be a option to replace clark up forward.. His still only young and has kicked 28 goals from 11 games in the SANFL. I remember one season might have been 2011 he finished the year with a bag of goals and looked to have found his place at AFL level but injuries/form and Schulz, westhoff form keeping him out. He was a top pick so he obviously has talent but his goal kicking was always an issue. I think he could be worth a punt if we didn't have to give much up for him.

I guess when they trialled the ball hitting the post and coming back in it was play on in the NAB cup a few years ago but even that's been scrapped from the NAB cup. There's some merit in the ball hitting the inside of the post and still been a goal but as fustrating and annoying the goal system review is, I think once they get the proper technology it will be better. It's been a bit like the cricket review system, bought in to remove the howlers but is used in 50/50 situations which could go either way and players/supporters can deal with those ones if they go against you

He has been very handy for the lions since his come back from injury. Averaging 20 touches, 30 hit outs, 4 tackles per game. I always thought he has potential and showed signs throughout 2010-2011 to show he could be a player.. Although Pedersen probably plays his role and better his a better ruck/forward option than Gawn and Fitzpatrick atm

Your right on Gawn. I thought he was pathetic tonight, his 208cm or whatever and he gets out bodied/marked by Ibbotson(190cm, at best) he needs more of a presence up forward, he should at worst be able to bring the ball to ground more often then not just by his size. When came into the side against Richmond he did look dangerous up forward but since then he hasn't consistently shown much and for a bloke his size just isn't acceptable. IN: Jetta OUT: Gawn

Also it shows in guys like Barry and Salem playing we have no depth in our playing list, it's only taken 2-3 injuries for us to be scrapping the bottom. Barry isn't up to it at this stage and ideally needs to be learning his craft at casey and same goes for Salem he has been quiet for the past month but there's no'one to replace him. Obviously Blease, Viv, Toumpas all have deficiencies in there game that need to be improved and Roos will not pick them until they change. Even a Dom Tyson could do with a rest but we can't afford to... We are another 2 good drafts off been a side challenging for the 8. I have a feeling roos might have to stick around awhile longer, this ain't gonna be a 2 minute turn around

Until we an get some footballers who can use the ball well out of defence were going to struggle and turnovers will kill us. I've said it in previous threads but have been shot down, we need good kicks coming out of our backline. Guys like grimes, garland, Howe, Terlich are not good kicks

That missed goal was [censored]..I never had confidence in him kicking it but kick that and the scores 17- 21, now look at it

I'm sick of this [censored]

The last 2 weeks I had a bad feeling heading into the game and was proven right. Tonight I don't expect a win but we'll be competitive, 2-3 goal loss I'm predicting. Darwin conditions don't really lend itself to big scores/losses, combine that with 2 sides which game plans built strongly on defense first. We'll be in the game up until 3 qrt time but fremantle will be too strong in the end. Aslong as we have a crack and were competitive, I'm happy.

Never did I criticise his workrate, pressure, tackling or leadership all those aspects of his game are enormous for a key a forward! I'm just saying the last few weeks I have noticed he is trying to get the out the back to often and is more often then not playing from behind. Earlier in the year when he was in form he was presenting across half forward and leading up.

I should have said he very rarely marks it one on one.. He definitely always makes a contest but most of the time he brings it to ground rarely.. And as you said we aren't blessed with crumbers atm. I also agree with you that our slower ball movement wouldn't help but too many times when we bring it forward his caught behind

Any chance this bloke can get in front. Week after week he is caught behind, it drives me insane. The best games his played is when he is working hard and been hit up on the lead . He isn't a very good contested mark and time after time his caught behind his opponent or trying to wrestle them. When we have the ball around the centre line he just stands there and points to the air to sit it on his head... Chris your not that good in the air or one on one, get on your bike and lead to the kicker and provide an option to players coming forward

Why people call for Matt jones to be dropped every week is beyond me. The bloke provides some run and genuine leg speed through the midfield and finds the footy, he makes some mistakes but who doesn't. Nicho has had his papers stamped today, his no good. Garland was terrible and I wouldn't be suprised if Georgiou comes in for him if TMac isn't right.

I really want to win this game. We are a better side than the bulldogs and last time we played was super fustrating we lost. A win tomorrow an we wil jump to 12th on the ladder only a game behind Adelaide & west coast..A loss and we can drop to 16th with results going the way they should. Big game for us!

Yeah I agree.. With griffen and cooney out libba is there match winner, if jones can nullify him it'll go a long way to winning the game. Also I know libba leads the AFL in tackles but I reckon on the spread Jones could expose him. As I said Picken will go to jones anyway so maybe best way to free jones up is him to go to libba

I wouldn't be surprised if we saw N.Jones go to Libba.. We saw earlier in the year jones go to murphy & ablett. I don't think we have much choice, if Barry or Nicholson came in I couldn't see them going with Libba in and around the contest, his a bull. I think jones is he only logically match up, likes it in tough and maybe that would break Pickens tag and then he can try and get Libba going the other way.

Viv and blease must be doing something wrong, I get the sense from the VFL reports it might be there defensive side but gee we lose 2 mids and bring in 3 defenders, a ruckmen and a kid. Not sure I'm all that happy with the inclusions but if players like Michie and blease have parts of there game that need working on, it's for the best they are forced to change or keep playing 2s

To be honest I don't care anymore, if that dog wants to bail out for more money than cya later pal, we don't need or want players that aren't committed to the cause. 12 months ago I was worried about him leaving but seeing the emergence of Dunn and too an extent Mcdonald (if we can fix his decision making/disposal) plus Col down there we'll be right. Frawley has average skills at best and his decision making isnt great either. Roos leaving him forward has been a master stroke in that our back 6 can gel without him, so when he does go it isn't such a huge loss. As previous posters have said Hogan will slot straight into Chips spot in the forward line. I'd love for Roos to give Frawley the ass in the latter part of the year when Hogans right to go...

Don't think he did ... He played 7 VFL games and 13 AFL games add 2 VFL byes and there's 22 week season. He said when he signed at the dees his never had many injuries so he thinks he can get atleast 2 years out of his body

Big blow with cross.. Probably the first time his been injured on his whole career!

Yeah fair point. My judgments of him are probably clouded... Played my junior career with him and he gave up footy and played basketball because he was no good at footy. Still cant believe he ever got drafted.

Michie is a lock for Mckenzie IMO.. Blease for Salem would be my other change

He ain't playing firsts because his no good. I'm wondering which part of his 8 touches, 1 mark and 1 goal 1 behind on the weekend, impressed you so much ?