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Will be interesting selection tonight.. You'd think Pedersen with 3 goals, 22 touches, 11 marks and 36 hit outs would have to been an inclusion. We can't go in with Gawn, Dawes, Pedersen, jamar on the big ground.. Gawn was ok last week. So who makes way for Pedersen? Would love to see a statement made and drop jamar and maybe give gawn a crack at been first ruck against cox & nic nat.. Other than that maybe Pedersen plays as a permenant forward and we [censored] frawley off

Noticed this morning a few boys posted photos of them training at a certain boxing gym and that's the same one mitch has been training at recently.. Not sure if there's anything in that. Might just be that him been a former melbourne player he was put onto someone or the clubs told him to head down there as part of there program for him

Not sure what to read into his training.. Obviously part of his rehab would be to engage in some exercise to help fill the void left by footy, give himself something to do and feel good about himself . Or he could be ramping it up for a comeback, who really knows.

Obviously if he is producing what he is now in 12-18 months time it's a different story, if he has gradual improvement over the next 2-3 years and by the time his 25-26 when most footballers start playing there best footy. What do people expect roos to come in and wave a magic wand and in one pre season watts is averaging 25 touches 10 marks and 2 goals a game.

All I'm saying is I'd rather keep watts then go to the draft with a mid range 2nd round pick, god knows what will get with that. The kids 23, played in one of the worst sides in the history of the game over his career. His 3 or 4 years off his prime football..

What's the point in trading him ? We'd get a second round pick, somewhere between 20-30.. He has more potential than a kid in that range. We might be lucky to pick up a jack darling but we could also pick up a blease, strauss, maric with that pick. It's not worth it, we've invested too much time into him. His harshly judged by melbourne supporters, I admit some of his efforts are [censored] weak but there another 15-20 players on the list who do a hell of a lot the same if not worse .. His a soft target for supporters to get stuck into. Roos will get him right.. We only need to look at that 3rd qrt VS port a few weeks back he was instrumental in getting us back into the game. The penny will drop eventually

If we don't get one no club ever will

There was one stage yesterday where we were running down the wing and dawes was back peddling away from the ball pointing to space... How about you LEAD at the goddamn kicker!! I've said this for weeks. The blokes confidence is shot, he actually doesn't want the ball. He has been no good since he got suspended. I know the delivery is atrocious but he doesn't do himself any favours by not leading up at the kicker and demanding the ball. I'm not sure what we do with him, hopefully a full pre season is a start

I'm hanging out for the real stuff to start! I'm heading to the states in November/December, going to see the 49ers at Levi's which will be awesome. But yeah fingers crossed the falcons can put in a half decent season, a fit Julio and roddy will make a difference. I've been loving the Hard Knocks series, gives a good insight especially for a newbie like me.. I only jumped on NFL last season and when the falcons started talking sacking smith & tanking the last few rounds I couldn't help but think it all sounded so familiar lol

What a sad, sad set of circumstances for a champion person. Will never forget the night we came from nowhere in 2005 against the dogs to make the finals and the reverend marching down the southern stand fist pumping in the final seconds.. Good luck mate!

His descion to swap Dunn and Frawley was baffling.. I agree with putting Frawley back because he was doing sweet F all but Dunn was actually playing well down back. Why did he not throw Howe forward instead ? Someone who would be a marking target to kick to...on top of this Palmer was tearing Howe a new one..

The more I think about it the more I'm starting to think we could see players like garland, Howe, grimes, watts thrown up for trade. Delisting likes of Nicholson, Mckenzie, Blease etc isn't a clean out and while it's an improvement to the overall list it's not going to translates into changing the on field performance when like I said they didn't even play... Some BIG statements/changes need to be made and while those players I mentioned above will be delisted that's not really making big changes

I go for the falcons, what a day yesterday... Albeit a practise match but lose to the texans after there 15 straight loses, then we get thumped by GWS. Could well be another long season in NFL aswell. I won't have any hair left come the end of the year

I may get shot down for this but I honestly would throw Howe up for trade and see what we can get.. He was deplorable earlier in the year up forward and has shown glimpses down back but he isn't a defender, too often he should punch and he tries to mark.. His disposal is pretty average and is one of the main offenders turning the ball over in the back half. Either move him forward next year or try and get something for him because he ain't cutting it down back

Jack viney ain't too blame for yesterday or our recent form. He has been dissapointing the 2nd half of the year but I think the blowtorch should well and truly be on blokes like, Howe, garland, jamar, grimes, watts, Dawes, frawley(who cares tho his gone)

In all seriousness, where do we go from here ? I'm at a loss to what happens now. All the improvements we have made this year went out the window yesterday. It defies logic that we could not only lose to a side who's been in existence for 3 years missing Cameron, Whitfield, scully and then throw in there 2 captains (also there best defender & midfielder) along with there 2nd best forward missing after half time and Adam treolar playing injured but lose by 11 goals and only kick 3 ourselves!! If we can only kick 3 goals against the giants who have conceded the most points against this year then were stuffed. Why would any player such as malceski want to come play for melbourne now ? We won't be able to attract anyone. Even in the darkest of dark days of 2012 we managed to knock the giants off by 10+ goals (yes they were young then but with what they had out there yesterday they'd be similar) The sad reality is we call for a mass clean out at season end, the players heads we want gone in Mckenzie, blease, strauss, tapscott, Nicholson.. I didn't see them running around pretending to play football at the G yesterday.. I seriously don't know what's wrong with those players out there yesterday, they must be me mentally F'd. What happens in 2 years time when roos leaves ? This obviously isn't going to be fixed in 2 years. I really don't know what to make of this club... If we weren't called Melbourne and the fact the AFL couldn't have a comp without a "melbourne" side we'd be on the next spirit of Tasmania out of here because this club can't survive the way it is going. Also the AFL will obviously never give out a PP because if there's one side that needs it it's us. They have GWS & GC all these top picks to make sure they were competitive. I'd say we have an argument that we need a compromised draft like they got and have atleast 3-4 top 10 picks. We have been so bad for so long and you'd think after 8 years the last thing in the world that would happen is us losing to a half fit not at full strength GWS side at the MCG. God help us

How the [censored] are people putting Howe in there votes ? He was comprehensively beaten by Palmer. Had 4 goals kicked on him, turned the ball over and put in some terrible tackling efforts in. I thought his performance was like the rest of them PATHETIC

The sad thing is the players who we've been calling for ie: Mckenzie, blease, terlich, Evans, Nicholson etc weren't out there today...

We got rolled by a side that were missing there best forward to start with aswell as Whitfield & scully. Add no davis, ward, Patton after half time.. What a disgrace, to kick 3 goals against the worst defensive side in the comp is a joke. I'm so close to been done with this club it isn't funny... I really don't know where we go from here, I hold fears for this football club. If GWS trade for the #1 pick and we don't even get petracca from this il be furious

GWS want to lose more than we do and we want to win more than GWS... We won't lose this. Dees by 26 Salem sub Gawn @ $11 most goals, value

Have seen a bit of him at local level. I doubt he will ever adapt to living away from home and adapt to the afl lifestyle.

Yep another great descion by neeld to trade him.. He always showed promise, I'm not suprised his shown this form. Would be a lot better on the list then fitzy & spencer. Having said that I think he relishes the #1 ruck spot and rucking alone. So not sure how he'd go playing the Pedersen role as forward- part time ruck. But gee I wish he was still on the list.

Is this thread for real ? You gotta be taking the [censored]

Think jones will win in just on consistency.. Tyson has had some standout games though, his had a few 25+ touches & goals to go with it. Dunns second half of the season hasn't been as good as his first 10-12 rounds.. Jetta will be an interesting one, came in at round 5 and missed another game but has been super consistent and done some big jobs. Think Jamar has been pretty good since coming back from injury, cross missing a couple could hurt his top 5 chances. Jones Tyson Vince Dunn Cross

I wish ......