PJ was one of very few who could walk of today with absolution. He tried..all day

Hey, I turned on White first.

The centre circle neutered his leaping advantage at centre bounces, he has never been a good mark because he has hard hands ,just doesn't run to the right positions for a ruckman and he has no physical presence. Any midfielder/utility can be on the end of the switch of play but the 195cm ruck should be the guy 60 metres up the ground demanding the ball or the guy taking the saving mark on the goal line. That has never been, and never will be Jeff White.

No other team plays a 195cm ruckman. Who would have thought 10 years ago that one of the pioneering mobile ruckman would become a dinosaur himself.

Play PJ as Nm 1 Ruck and challenge Jamar/Meesen to be the Nm 2.

The hottie I picked up on Brunswick St tonight > Our Ruck Division.

Hey, I turned on White first.

The centre circle neutered his leaping advantage at centre bounces, he has never been a good mark because he has hard hands ,just doesn't run to the right positions for a ruckman and he has no physical presence. Any midfielder/utility can be on the end of the switch of play but the 195cm ruck should be the guy 60 metres up the ground demanding the ball or the guy taking the saving mark on the goal line. That has never been, and never will be Jeff White.

No other team plays a 195cm ruckman. Who would have thought 10 years ago that one of the pioneering mobile ruckman would become a dinosaur himself.

Play PJ as Nm 1 Ruck and challenge Jamar/Meesen to be the Nm 2.

I have been on the anti Jeff White bandwagon for a while now myself, and also called for trading him a couple of seasons ago while he had some value.

I can't believe that anyone could have a go at PJ. He was one of the few players to actually have a dip yeaterday, and i would be happy for him to take over first ruck.

I was pleased with PJ yesterday. Tim e for Jeff to go to Sandy and become an on-field mentor to meeson

The hottie I picked up on Brunswick St tonight > Our Ruck Division.

Yet your typing on a forum?

For starters White was absolutely hopeless today, but he hasn't been good in a very long time.

PJ was excellent today and not just his ball handling etc, but I like how he is a team player, unlike players such as Roberston who never hand the ball off etc While I am not writing Robertson off, I just don't like those who try and make a hero of themselves.

Maximum Bob are you a Melbourne supporter? How could a supporter be so cynical and your comment about PJ shows how much of a true supporter you are, PJ made a mark last year and is playing again this year, give it a rest.

Good on you PJ!

He wasn't anywhere near as bad as about 18 others in the red and blue. Excellent though, I think not.

Something that strikes me now in hindsight..( as the nightmare that was yesterday rescreens though my mind ) was Jeffs positioning. Now I know he likes to play a kick off the game.. but more often than not he'll position himself near the middle..and act as a kick or second handball option link man to redirecting down the guts..

Yesterday I honestly had trouble finding him at times as he skulked around the bounday for a lot of the game.

if he's not set.. give him a run in the magoos

Johnson is still only 23, still very young in ruckman years.

Moves pretty well considering he's a monster (saw him at the Hawthorn end of last year and he made Michael Newton look like a school kid), has a dip, doesn't mind the contested footy and while not the most skillful player in the world is consistent enough in his disposal. He can also play forward or back as well which is always handy.

Have been a fan since his West Coast days so hopefully he can continue to take steps towards being a good ruckman

PJ was not brilliant.. he may never be.. Im prepared to accept les than brilliant in the ruck dept providing we can get the ball out as often as we dont. I'll settle for good. PJ was trying damn hard to be good. He put his hand up week in week out.( when given the chnace ). Given some good mentoring ( Sam Newman get better soon!! ) and I think he'll come on. He's a big boy who run as much as he can.

PJ put himself to where he might get the ball on Sun.. i saw no such committment from Jeff.