Our List After the Trade Period:

Clint Bartram

Matthew Bate

Daniel Bell

Jace Bode

Cameron Bruce

Simon Buckley

Nathan Carroll

Aaron Davey

Lynden Dunn

Ryan Ferguson

James Frawley

Colin Garland

Brad Green

Ben Holland

Mark Jamar

Chris A. Johnson

Paul A. Johnson

Nathan Jones

James McDonald

Brock McLean

John Meesen

Brad Miller

Brent Moloney

David Neitz

Michael Newton

Ricky Petterd

Jared Rivers

Russell Robertson

Colin Sylvia

Matthew Warnock

Isaac Weetra

Paul Wheatley

Matthew Whelan

Jeff White

Adem Yze

that's 35 players, with Yze and Neitz on the Veterans list i believe? we have draft selections 4, 14, 21, 53, 69 etc. plus pre-season draft selection 3... if we don't delist any more players we will be looking to add 5 players through the draft, where i would suspect we pass on selection 69, and use selection 3 in the PSD...

the question is now, will we cull anymore players from the list? i don't think we will delist any more players, however if we do the three possibilities for mine are Ferguson, Warnock and Jamar... what's the contract situation with these players?

Our List After the Trade Period:

Clint Bartram

Matthew Bate

Daniel Bell

Jace Bode

Cameron Bruce

Simon Buckley

Nathan Carroll

Aaron Davey

Lynden Dunn

Ryan Ferguson

James Frawley

Colin Garland

Brad Green

Ben Holland

Mark Jamar

Chris A. Johnson

Paul A. Johnson

Nathan Jones

James McDonald

Brock McLean

John Meesen

Brad Miller

Brent Moloney

David Neitz

Michael Newton

Ricky Petterd

Jared Rivers

Russell Robertson

Colin Sylvia

Matthew Warnock

Isaac Weetra

Paul Wheatley

Matthew Whelan

Jeff White

Adem Yze

that's 35 players, with Yze and Neitz on the Veterans list i believe? we have draft selections 4, 14, 21, 53, 69 etc. plus pre-season draft selection 3... if we don't delist any more players we will be looking to add 5 players through the draft, where i would suspect we pass on selection 69, and use selection 3 in the PSD...

the question is now, will we cull anymore players from the list? i don't think we will delist any more players, however if we do the three possibilities for mine are Ferguson, Warnock and Jamar... what's the contract situation with these players?

i think Warnock will be gone

ferguson n jamar may stay as doesnt jamar have another 2 years, or not signed yet?

i think Warnock will be gone

I’m at a loss as to why people don’t rate Warnock. We’ve had a 2nd rate backline for years now and the rare game he’s played he has held his own.

He fails to excite but I don’t see that as a failure in a backman.

In a team crying out for a stronger defence, he’s very low on my list of potential delistings. Unless we had to make room, he stays.

There's plenty of room at the moment.

Vanlo,

Warnock's contracted for next year. More importantly, his "little" brother comes out of contract next year. Matthew's possibly got an additional advantage if there's a long term plan to try to prise Robbie away from Freo.

Jamar - correct, just signed a 2 year deal.

Ferg I think is out of contract & of your three, will likely have the biggest battle to stay on the list. He would have been quietly hoping that someone had put in a bid for Carroll when he was declared available

Vanlo,

Warnock's contracted for next year. More importantly, his "little" brother comes out of contract next year. Matthew's possibly got an additional advantage if there's a long term plan to try to prise Robbie away from Freo.

Jamar - correct, just signed a 2 year deal.

Ferg I think is out of contract & of your three, will likely have the biggest battle to stay on the list. He would have been quietly hoping that someone had put in a bid for Carroll when he was declared available

l thought having Connolly at the club and Bailey as coach was going to be good for the club but IMO getting rid of Travis and keeping Jamar and Miller on TWO YEAR CONTRACTS are BIG mistakes, Jamar is pathetic and Miller is not far behind him, l hope they get it right because they haven't on these 3.

l thought having Connolly at the club and Bailey as coach was going to be good for the club but IMO getting rid of Travis and keeping Jamar and Miller on TWO YEAR CONTRACTS are BIG mistakes, Jamar is pathetic and Miller is not far behind him, l hope they get it right because they haven't on these 3.

Why did they sign up Jamar? Its not like we were in danger of losing him to another club? Although Carlton do have a tendency to pick a dud ruckmen.

the question is now, will we cull anymore players from the list? i don't think we will delist any more players, however if we do the three possibilities for mine are Ferguson, Warnock and Jamar... what's the contract situation with these players?

I can't see Jamar being delisted. My pick would be Ferg.

However, we're probably unlikely to delist many more if the kids replacing them will be rated 69+ in the draft.

Jamar is pathetic and Miller is not far behind him

hear hear.

Is there anybody else on this forum who thinks we are a better than even chance of claiming the spoon next year?

hear hear.

Is there anybody else on this forum who thinks we are a better than even chance of claiming the spoon next year?

You mean like Port Adelaide and the Kangaroos were this time last year?

With the retirement of Brisbane's Chris Johnson, we can now refer to our Chris Johnson as just that. Who is the other Paul Johnson that requires us to call ours Paul A. Johnson?

l thought having Connolly at the club and Bailey as coach was going to be good for the club but IMO getting rid of Travis and keeping Jamar and Miller on TWO YEAR CONTRACTS are BIG mistakes, Jamar is pathetic and Miller is not far behind him, l hope they get it right because they haven't on these 3.

Some people have no concept of list management. Firstly, on Jamar's re-signing. Every club needs 4 ruckmen on its list, and as recently proven, ruckmen of any standing are a tradeable commodity.

On Miller, I personally don't rate him, but we have a shortfall of KPP, and obviously Bailey believes that he has some talent there to develop.

Finally, we didn't get rid of Johnstone. We traded him for a 1st round draft pick, which was deemed as more useful for our talented crop of under 23's, than a 28 yo underperforming highly paid player with a poor work ethic....

hear hear.

Is there anybody else on this forum who thinks we are a better than even chance of claiming the spoon next year?

If we have another year destroyed by injuries we will win the wooden spoon, no doubt with 3 or 4 wins.

The TJ trade will hurt, I can't believe people were happy with that...but thats been done to death.

If we have a good run with injury, then I'd say 9-12th. We'll need to be patient with the new coach...remember Ross Lyon couldn't get the highly credentialed Saints into the finals.

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The TJ trade will hurt, I can't believe people were happy with that...but thats been done to death.

If we have a good run with injury, then I'd say 9-12th.

If we have a good run with injury and still finish 9-12th how much "hurt" will getting rid of a 28 yo perenially underperforming player with a poor work ethic and two years left in his career? If, in your eyes we clearly arent challenging in 2008 why not trade him for value now and recruit a capable taltented young player with 10 year playing potential?