Back from the game . . .

[deestroy08 0]

Oh okay. That makes more sense.

Thanks QueenC and BB

[Yze_Magic 3]

Brad Miller would only fall into it.

LOL

Its funny cos its true

[deanox 9,898]

tonight showed a few things.

mclean and jones both no how to win the footy, know how to get it out fo the pack and know how to dispose of the ball well. neither have pace and that should be their focus over summer, the first 5 steps. this will help them both break tags, it will also help them reak away for the clearance.

dunn has class and poise. he knows where the footy is, and he knows how to play the game. he might not get heaps but he will be good.

newton looks better closer to the goals with the occasional run up the ground imo. he doesnt quite have the agility for CHF, and a summer in the gym to give him 4-5kg extra he will be a solid FF for years to come.

we are having the unluckiest year on record, and if we put all the players out to pasture who need to go (robertson, leave bruce out, leave moloney out etc) we prob will have 22 or 23 players available next week.

[drdrake 3,162]

Jones is a good footballer, but he is not superman, he needs to learn which he will that it is sometimes better just to kick it blindly forward than try to break a tackle. Jones, Mclean, Mcdonald and TJ had good nights even better considering our two ruckman got smashed by two very average ruckman. Jeff White has to have a good hard look at himself and stop playing for Jeff White and easy stats. Jamar is gone.

Why did ND and now Mark Riley want to end Neita's carear, this bloke is a super strong player that is never outmarked, play him closer to goal, tonight he was starting from about 30m out like a second CHF, play him out of the goal square with a leading Newton, if you cant hit the lead kick it long to the top of the sqare and get players front and square to rove, neita will mark it or bring it to ground, but kick it long and move it quickly.

Bate wasn't fit got a hit early and stuggled for the rest of the night, the question needs to be raised why rush him back, a fit Miller would have offered more

[Gorgoroth 12,924]

Brown gets the ball, panicks and gives to who ever is closest, he has heart, courage blah blah blah but if you can't dispose of it is such a manner that it benefits your team then you are useless and brown either chips 15 meters backwards or sideways or he handballs to some one 1 meter away in a worse possition just so he doesn't get caught. I truly hope our new coach tells him to retire.

[warren dean 193]

Nathan Jones & Brock McLean - pull your heads in kids, you are not nearly as fast as you think you are.

Nathan Jones is eerily similar to former Collingwood player Tony Francis. He is hard it, has great endurance but invariably tries to take on everybody all the time! His first instinct is to move backwards (towards his own goal) whenever he gets the ball, and I doubt I've seen a player who loves a U-turn more! He is an exceptional young player and has many fine qualities, but he must look at this aspect of his game.

Brock McLean is having a bad patch atm, mainly due to injury, but as Dirty harry would say, "A man's got to know his limitations". Geddy Lee, you are right about Brock, he isn't quick and like Jones, often tries to beat two or three opponents. Good ball winners like Sam Mitchell, and before him, Greg Williams rarely get caught holding the ball because they dish it off straight awaywith super vision. Brock needs to be better at finding and taking that option. They were both culpable in this area. Footy is a game of winning the ball and disposing of it correctly.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Brown gets the ball, panicks and gives to who ever is closest, he has heart, courage blah blah blah but if you can't dispose of it is such a manner that it benefits your team then you are useless and brown either chips 15 meters backwards or sideways or he handballs to some one 1 meter away in a worse possition just so he doesn't get caught. I truly hope our new coach tells him to retire.

I couldn't agree more.

Brown was useless last night.

He was playing as a loose man and Collingwood simply didn't care.

What really summed it for me was with about two or three minutes to go, Melbourne were about two goals down, he had the ball in the back pocket and then handpassed it sideways...

[Jaded No More 68,867]

I couldn't agree more.

Brown was useless last night.

He was playing as a loose man and Collingwood simply didn't care.

What really summed it for me was with about two or three minutes to go, Melbourne were about two goals down, he had the ball in the back pocket and then handpassed it sideways...

Ummm he was actually playing on one of Collingwood's best, Lockyer, and completely shut him out of the game.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Ummm he was actually playing on one of Collingwood's best, Lockyer, and completely shut him out of the game.

Well he was also used as a loose man.

I disagree that he completely shut Lockyer because Lockyer seemed to have much more of an impact than Brown did.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

What really summed it for me was with about two or three minutes to go, Melbourne were about two goals down, he had the ball in the back pocket and then handpassed it sideways...

What was his other viable option pu the ground? Can you name it? With 5 minutes to go MFC injured team stopped to a walk. They were spent. Every player who had the ball and looked for optinos up the ground had none to kick to.

Your summation of Brown looseness really makes your idolisation of Bizzell bizarre to say the least.

[Demon16 69]

Nathan Jones is eerily similar to former Collingwood player Tony Francis.

i really hope he's nothing like tony francis. if francis got a hard ball in his dreams he would wake up and apologise.

[Bruce Almighty 0]

How about...

Jones and Brock- Well done for putting yourselves in every contest and trying to win the ball. If they don't do it, who the hell will?

Junior, Jones and McLean are the only players in the team who know the meaning of a clearance. All were exhausted by the end of the night, and got caught. It's frustrating, but it happens. I rather they get caught with the ball, than not get the ball at all. If only they got some bloody support!!!

Brown is a battler, always was, always will be. Love his courage and determination, but he is an ordinary player. If we're serious about moving the list on, he has to retire.

It's all well and good to get to a contest, but it is pointless if you turn the ball over so many times like they did. But, everyone has bad games and they will learn from this that sometimes the first option is the best option and to just get rid of the ball quicker. Both will be very good in the future.

[warren dean 193]

i really hope he's nothing like tony francis. if francis got a hard ball in his dreams he would wake up and apologise.

A very harsh call! Francis was a fine player and also courageous. He did however have the very annoying habit of taking possession and moving back towards his own goals, and then try to break two or three tackles. Hence my comparison with Jones. Hopefully he will develop a new modus operandi under a different coach, but these habits are often difficult to break. I rate Jones extremely highly, and believe he is the first genuine old-fashioned rover I have seen since the days of Platten and Weightman, but he does need to shake this habit.

[Rogue 585]

Wheatley, on the other hand, is not.

What on earth was with his kick-outs tonight?

Very, very average.

Not good enough Wheatley. Finishing your career with a series of dumb mistakes.

You're kidding me. After missing a fair bit of footy early on, Wheatley has been very good in the latter half of this season. A guy who can get the ball to a teammate sixty metres away on a regular basis is very valuable. To utilise him better he needs to be released to a wing though, rather than being stuck in the backline.

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

What was his other viable option pu the ground? Can you name it? With 5 minutes to go MFC injured team stopped to a walk. They were spent. Every player who had the ball and looked for optinos up the ground had none to kick to.

Your summation of Brown looseness really makes your idolisation of Bizzell bizarre to say the least.

He could have kicked up the ground to a contest.

When you are eleven points down with only a few minutes to go, the only option is to get the ball into the forward line. It's about position as much as it is about possession.

The difference between Bizzell and Brown, is that Bizzell uses the ball well and is far more damaging than Brown. He can half the number of possessions and still be twice as damaging.

[Rhino Richards 1,467]

He could have kicked up the ground to a contest.

When you are eleven points down with only a few minutes to go, the only option is to get the ball into the forward line. It's about position as much as it is about possession.

Or to a turnover? Position is negligible if players dont run to make it.

The difference between Bizzell and Brown, is that Bizzell uses the ball well and is far more damaging than Brown. He can half the number of possessions and still be twice as damaging.

Unfortunately he is not damaging. And quite often Bizzell ends up with about half the possessions of his direct opponent and the team suffers.

[jacey 333]

He could have kicked up the ground to a contest.

When you are eleven points down with only a few minutes to go, the only option is to get the ball into the forward line. It's about position as much as it is about possession.

The difference between Bizzell and Brown, is that Bizzell uses the ball well and is far more damaging than Brown. He can half the number of possessions and still be twice as damaging.

Teams target these playas to let them loose.

Godfrey, Holland, Ward, Brown, Miller.

Even one of the Saint boys admitted it. We let them get the ball.

[AzzKikA 2,371]

I cannot beleive people think the game would have been helped with Miller out there. He can't kick, mark, run, lead or tackle, how would that have helped?

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Or to a turnover? Position is negligible if players dont run to make it.

No, there were players there that he could have kicked it to. It was never a matter of the players getting there.

So with a few minutes to go and with the team around two goals down, you don't want them to risk turning the ball over by kicking to a contest?

[Straight Sets Simon 23,113]

Even one of the Saint boys admitted it. We let them get the ball.

Exactly, Collingwood knew that Brown was getting a lot of the pill but weren't worried about it because he wasn't damaging when he used it.