there has been soo much debate on wheather we should trade miller, drop him, delist him and so on.. but one thing people has forgotten is about how this young man rose to the football ranks in 2003,2004 and 2005. this guy was a superstar in the makin, a future captain and also our CHF afterlife of the OX. he was a fast leading center half forward who had that jonathon brown anger in him! people tagged him a thug becoz of his reputaion rough style play. he was our very own thug! but then one move by neale daniher to barry hall looks as if it has changed his football life. Now in my opinion Miller should have stayed at CHF where he made a name for himself. I reckon that move by ND ruined his career and now he cops abuse from supporters left right and center! its actually gettin beyond the joke!! Miller has now lost all those reputaion he once had as an up and coming rising. i dont know if anyone remember an article about him and jared rivers being our future of this side, it was in 2004. how times can change. its also sad to see him not being that rough and tumble player he use to. i though he was playing well at CHF this year when he kicked some bags of 3 goals and a couple others. his position is not the backline! does anyone remember queens birthday a couple of years ago when he took about 12 marks in the first half? or against richmond back in 2004 when he killed em and kicked 4 goals? or even last year against freo in the finals. he stood up when becoz he bleeds for this club. i know im gonna cop it here but brad has been harshly delt with and i believe a New coach could turn his career alive. for gods sake rest bloody miller or nietz for the rest of the year and give this guy a go there.

whats everyones thoughts?

I agree,

Miller was developing beautifully at CHF,

and made the team so much better when he was there,

bringing the play into the corridor.

And now they persist in trying him out as a back.

I hope he survives,

we get a proper coach in, (Riley and the current selection panel are a sick joke)

and he recovers his role.

Couldn't agree more, I still think he is the CHF we are looking for, he just needs to get his confidence back

Would love to see him given a go at CHF in the coming weeks

pffft knowing our luck coxy it will never happern

Miller lost his attack/aggression, he was a lead up chf that wasn't afraid to through his weight around, but since he got reported a couple of times his attack at the contest has died. He ran in straight lines and made players get out of his way, demanded the footy and until he finds that toughness again he is going to struggle. He is a shadow of what he was whether it is a ND thing or a Miller mind set thing he has to sought it out or his AFL carear will be over if not this year next.

pffft knowing our luck coxy it will never happern

HA, of course it won't, but we can dream!

Also if i remember correctly reily said he was going to persist with miller in the backline for the rest of the season?

I mean since we are trying different things, why not give carroll a run at FF?

Miller has shown time and time again he is not a CHF's boot lace.

Its must be unbelievable hard for people to have their illusions shattered week after week, year after year by this continual failure.

The only valid comparison with the Ox is they both wore single digit odd numbers on the back of their guernsey.

Next conspiracy theory thanks.

HA, of course it won't, but we can dream!

Also if i remember correctly reily said he was going to persist with miller in the backline for the rest of the season?

I mean since we are trying different things, why not give carroll a run at FF?

Robbo as ruckman?

Robbo as ruckman?

Davey as number 2?

Sure, he was good leading forward, and at times our only forward player willing to go down and get the ball. But CHF is the most important ground on the field along with CHB. You base your team around these positions.

Miller can barely kick the ball 45 meters and only kicks about 10 goals a season. For a CHF that's not good enough.

And don't say he hasn't been given the opportunity, he has been given the CHF role many times, he has done alright, but has rarely dominated a game.

I know that we aren't gonna get another Oxe, but we need someone who can kick 40+ goals a season and can easily kick a goal from outside the 50.

The fact is Miller just isn't the typical CHF like Jonathon Brown or Pavlich. And with the likes of Bate and Dunn coming through as utility CHF's, they cover Miller's best attribute when he is CHF (his presentation and running).

Now i wouldn't just give Miller away for nothing, he is a young KPP that has decent size. There will be clubs out there interested in him. If we do get a decent trade for him, and he happens to play good footy for that club, good on him. He would be playing good footy and we would have received something decent in return. Win, Win situation.

He just hasn't got it. Why can't some people see that? Time and time again he has shown he fumbles under pressure, can't kick it far enough, always looks to pass backwards or handball. I'm not Miller bashing, it's just the truth. He hasn't improved in three or four years. He just hasn't got it.

Agree with Rhino.

You say ND ruined Miller's career with one swift move to the backline but you can't deny Miller has been given chances at CHF since and has not performed. Especially this year Miller was given every chance to fill the CHF spot and I'd hate to say it, failed miserably.

I like Miller and hope he can improve next year and win that CHF spot. However with Bate, Dunn and Newton challenging I wouldn't hold my breath.

Whats wrong with developing newton as a chf.

Whats wrong with developing newton as a chf.

Who at FF though?

Who at FF though?

Well thats what we have to do at this years drafts either trade for one that is only 20 or get one as a 17 year old because the mfc will never go anywhere with just a ff or chf you need both.

Miller has had it, the problem we have now is that we can not get anything for him because he is shot of confidence because he can't deliver what people have expected from him. He was never a CHF, CHF's kick goals and take pack marks Miller just got cheap kicks on the wing. It is unrealistic to think that Bate and Dunn can play CHF they are both more suited to a HF role. Newton might be a chance because he can take a good grab but he desperately needs a big year in the gym. If there is a quality key forward by the time we have a pick in the draft then we must go for him. I have to change my mind again and say that a key forward will be more important to us than a quality midfielder, key backman or ruckman. That is the big question I have So many holes in the side who should we go for with our first pick ?

He must go. Absolutely Daniher's fault. If we want to win the flag in the next 5 years we must cut all surplus players. At least 15 players should be delisted by season's end; we must blood youth and if they don't show anything in their first season they have to go.

Nearly forgot, obviously our board is not doing their job and they should be sacked as well.

He must go. Absolutely Daniher's fault. If we want to win the flag in the next 5 years we must cut all surplus players. At least 15 players should be delisted by season's end; we must blood youth and if they don't show anything in their first season they have to go.

Nearly forgot, obviously our board is not doing their job and they should be sacked as well.

A++++ post.

Will read again.

I have to change my mind again and say that a key forward will be more important to us than a quality midfielder, key backman or ruckman. That is the big question I have So many holes in the side who should we go for with our first pick ?

Agree the key forward.

I have to change my mind again and say that a key forward will be more important to us than a quality midfielder, key backman or ruckman. That is the big question I have So many holes in the side who should we go for with our first pick ?

Agree the key forward.

If we continue to get smashed through the midfield next year, it wont matter if you had Peter Hudson at FF. We need a ball winning line breaking midfielder desparately. Week after week we are getting punished there and we need to resolve this as a No 1 issue.

Well thats what we have to do at this years drafts either trade for one that is only 20 or get one as a 17 year old because the mfc will never go anywhere with just a ff or chf you need both.

There is a kid named Henderson, his first name i'm pretty sure is Lachlan, and he is a KP forward. He represented Vic Country this year. He will go in the top 10. I reckon he could be our answer to our key CHF. We need to trade the likes of Bruce, TJ or Green in order to get a draft pick in the top 10.

I reckon he has got what it takes to hold down CHF.

We need to trade the likes of Bruce, TJ or Green in order to get a draft pick in the top 10.

We are already on track to get pick 2 or 3 in the draft then pick 18 and 20 or thereabouts

There is a kid named Henderson, his first name i'm pretty sure is Lachlan, and he is a KP forward. He represented Vic Country this year. He will go in the top 10. I reckon he could be our answer to our key CHF. We need to trade the likes of Bruce, TJ or Green in order to get a draft pick in the top 10.

I reckon he has got what it takes to hold down CHF.

Lets get him or maybe mfc with thier infactuation with onballers it wont happen. :angry:

If we continue to get smashed through the midfield next year, it wont matter if you had Peter Hudson at FF. We need a ball winning line breaking midfielder desparately. Week after week we are getting punished there and we need to resolve this as a No 1 issue.

That was my original choice but I am pinnig my hopes on us having a good pre season and McLean, Jones, Sylvia and Moloney getting fit enough to at least compete with the better midfields. We don't have much up forward at all Neitz goes down and we are in dire straits and Robertson should be our 3rd marking forward not our 2nd.

There is a kid named Henderson, his first name i'm pretty sure is Lachlan, and he is a KP forward. He represented Vic Country this year. He will go in the top 10. I reckon he could be our answer to our key CHF. We need to trade the likes of Bruce, TJ or Green in order to get a draft pick in the top 10.

I reckon he has got what it takes to hold down CHF.

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