To the AFL ‘Browbeating’ Media — It’s time to fight back!

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Sorry folks my phone was having a panic-attack or something and posts are popping of clones everywhere 🫤

Edited October 4, 2024 by Tolstoys Nudge

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On 02/10/2024 at 14:05, DeeZone said:

I truely empathise with your concerns Tolstoys Nudge and have been trying to remain firm and supportive of the club that we love. However, I am more concerned by some of the posters on Demonland whose opinions I once held in high regard who seem to have joined forces with the enemy to help berate and Undermine Our great Club. We cannot beat the press but maybe we can dissuade our own from echoing the chorus of undermining twerps who are trying to bring us down.

I know mate it’s sad but that’s a battle we can’t win and fighting our own feels the antithesis of what we’re trying to achieve, it’s a lost cause I’m afraid but media is largely to blame there too cus ppl just eat up their g garbage even though it’s proven wrong time after time and with a little research most of wha they report can be undermined in a heartbeat.

It’s why I stopped posting rumours, scuttlebutt heard from grapevine via agents mostly — I knew it was largely just talk and leading nowhere in 99% of instances but I knew I’d wanna know so I shared bits that came thru more than once. I mean back in the day no one here or anywhere in footy fan land would blv how many players deals etc get spoken about & that 1% get actioned, now that’s more widely known as media report anything as FACT inc those off-cuff conversations that go nowhere — lead by info from player agents and ppl at clubs reporting on OTHER clubs happenings to serve their own purpose. I used to cop copious accounts I was making things up for fun even though I’d preface it was pure spec and little chance of happening — NOW though media does same but reports it as likely, as they build the narrative to gain ascendancy and therefore help enable a guiding coalition towards their own report ergo McClure and the constant BS about MORE, or the Kos talk that Edmund admits openly comes only from reports via his ‘fam’ and friends — I mean how irresponsible is that?!?! If I lived interstate I’d tell my family I wanna come home too, that’s just what you DO — but it doesn’t signal his intent or reality whatsoever.. 
 

This Oliver story was coming WEEKS ago, the same old journos couldn’t help but give it away, and then they dare say it’s A when it reality is B — It’s all to try and get their own stories validity, they’d LOVE it to come out true so they do all they can to aid that outcome. Inc taking skewed info from agents and report it as being FACT when they know it’s often spin and that they’re being used as a vessel for a certain narrative! It’s pathetic and I’m enjoying calling them on it on socials and talkback when I can but I need accomplices..

 

Moving fwd if anyone does let’s use a code word so we know its form Demonland - maybe we drop the word ‘abhorrent’ in the post or call 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

 

 

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Mcclure it is important to state, is a different level of beast, he just seems to flat-out lie at times if it means he can ignite something he is quoted by thousands on X etc

 

Morris/Edmund whilst not innocent, tend to be more about hiding that the vast amt of their 'insider info' comes from ppl with ulterior motive and that by reporting everything, they are creating a false economy that winds-up being largely good at nothing other than fraying their relationships with clubs, but they do not care cus they feel so powerful that clubs have to talk to them and crucially, they KNOW that the same club will want to use Them  at some point to help THEM put a narrative out that supports something their trying to do -- but why MFC are currently the target for me is because we currently have assets and again, most importantly as Sam Mcclure said himself, read below quote form just a month ago..

 

"Well this is what we do, we look for a club that has a strong list or that has performed well for a sustained period, who underperforms - and then we look for the cracks' -- THERE is precisely what is occurring as we speak... This is what their bosses want, Hutchy especially!

Edited October 4, 2024 by Tolstoys Nudge

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On 02/10/2024 at 14:05, DeeZone said:

I truely empathise with your concerns Tolstoys Nudge and have been trying to remain firm and supportive of the club that we love. However, I am more concerned by some of the posters on Demonland whose opinions I once held in high regard who seem to have joined forces with the enemy to help berate and Undermine Our great Club. We cannot beat the press but maybe we can dissuade our own from echoing the chorus of undermining twerps who are trying to bring us down.

I know mate it’s sad but that’s a battle we can’t win and fighting our own feels the antithesis of what we’re trying to achieve, it’s a lost cause I’m afraid but media is largely to blame there too cus ppl just eat up their g garbage even though it’s proven wrong time after time and with a little research most of wha they report can be undermined in a heartbeat. But fighting neg here is next to impossible as it’s a support group of sorts and that is fine, it’s only maturity that’s enabled me to realise our club largely knows what they’re doing and despite erring plenty by and large they know what’s best but most of all I support MFC, not any individuals within it, they’re merely a part-time entity within the greater coalition that is the Melbourne Footy Club!

It’s why I stopped posting rumours, scuttlebutt heard from grapevine via agents mostly — I knew it was largely just talk and leading nowhere in 99% of instances but I knew I’d wanna know so I shared bits that came thru more than once. I mean back in the day no one here or anywhere in footy fan land would blv how many players deals etc get spoken about & that 1% get actioned, now that’s more widely known as media report anything as FACT inc those off-cuff conversations that go nowhere — lead by info from player agents and ppl at clubs reporting on OTHER clubs happenings to serve their own purpose. I used to cop copious accounts I was making things up for fun even though I’d preface it was pure spec and little chance of happening — NOW though media does same but reports it as likely, as they build the narrative to gain ascendancy and therefore help enable a guiding coalition towards their own report ergo McClure and the constant BS about MORE, or the Kos talk that Edmund admits openly comes only from reports via his ‘fam’ and friends — I mean how irresponsible is that?!?! If I lived interstate I’d tell my family I wanna come home too, that’s just what you DO — but it doesn’t signal his intent or reality whatsoever.. Would you want to tell Family who desperately want you home that you like it at the MFC??? and have no other to leave?

This Oliver story was always coming, the same old journos couldn’t help but give it away, and then they dare say it’s A when it reality is B — It’s all to try and get their own stories validity, they’d LOVE it to come out true so they do all they can to aid that outcome. Inc taking skewed info from agents and report it as being FACT when they know it’s often spin and that they’re being used as a vessel for a certain narrative! It’s pathetic and I’m enjoying calling them on it on socials and talkback when I can but I need accomplices..

Moving fwd if anyone does let’s use a code word so we know its form Demonland - maybe we drop the word ‘abhorrent’ in the post or call 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

Edited October 4, 2024 by Tolstoys Nudge
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[DeeZone 10,394]

19 minutes ago, Tolstoys Nudge said:

I know mate it’s sad but that’s a battle we can’t win and fighting our own feels the antithesis of what we’re trying to achieve, it’s a lost cause I’m afraid but media is largely to blame there too cus ppl just eat up their g garbage even though it’s proven wrong time after time and with a little research most of wha they report can be undermined in a heartbeat. But fighting neg here is next to impossible as it’s a support group of sorts and that is fine, it’s only maturity that’s enabled me to realise our club largely knows what they’re doing and despite erring plenty by and large they know what’s best but most of all I support MFC, not any individuals within it, they’re merely a part-time entity within the greater coalition that is the Melbourne Footy Club!

It’s why I stopped posting rumours, scuttlebutt heard from grapevine via agents mostly — I knew it was largely just talk and leading nowhere in 99% of instances but I knew I’d wanna know so I shared bits that came thru more than once. I mean back in the day no one here or anywhere in footy fan land would blv how many players deals etc get spoken about & that 1% get actioned, now that’s more widely known as media report anything as FACT inc those off-cuff conversations that go nowhere — lead by info from player agents and ppl at clubs reporting on OTHER clubs happenings to serve their own purpose. I used to cop copious accounts I was making things up for fun even though I’d preface it was pure spec and little chance of happening — NOW though media does same but reports it as likely, as they build the narrative to gain ascendancy and therefore help enable a guiding coalition towards their own report ergo McClure and the constant BS about MORE, or the Kos talk that Edmund admits openly comes only from reports via his ‘fam’ and friends — I mean how irresponsible is that?!?! If I lived interstate I’d tell my family I wanna come home too, that’s just what you DO — but it doesn’t signal his intent or reality whatsoever.. Would you want to tell Family who desperately want you home that you like it at the MFC??? and have no other to leave?

This Oliver story was always coming, the same old journos couldn’t help but give it away, and then they dare say it’s A when it reality is B — It’s all to try and get their own stories validity, they’d LOVE it to come out true so they do all they can to aid that outcome. Inc taking skewed info from agents and report it as being FACT when they know it’s often spin and that they’re being used as a vessel for a certain narrative! It’s pathetic and I’m enjoying calling them on it on socials and talkback when I can but I need accomplices..

Moving fwd if anyone does let’s use a code word so we know its form Demonland - maybe we drop the word ‘abhorrent’ in the post or call 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

TN this is being replicated are you mimicking the Press. Lol.🤣🤣🤣🤣

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41 minutes ago, DeeZone said:

TN this is being replicated are you mimicking the Press. Lol.🤣🤣🤣🤣

I wish I’d thought of that as my reason hahahahaha nope just good ol’ browser issues I’m guessing 

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1 hour ago, Tolstoys Nudge said:

I know mate it’s sad but that’s a battle we can’t win and fighting our own feels the antithesis of what we’re trying to achieve, it’s a lost cause I’m afraid but media is largely to blame there too cus ppl just eat up their g garbage even though it’s proven wrong time after time and with a little research most of wha they report can be undermined in a heartbeat. But fighting neg here is next to impossible as it’s a support group of sorts and that is fine, it’s only maturity that’s enabled me to realise our club largely knows what they’re doing and despite erring plenty by and large they know what’s best but most of all I support MFC, not any individuals within it, they’re merely a part-time entity within the greater coalition that is the Melbourne Footy Club!

It’s why I stopped posting rumours, scuttlebutt heard from grapevine via agents mostly — I knew it was largely just talk and leading nowhere in 99% of instances but I knew I’d wanna know so I shared bits that came thru more than once. I mean back in the day no one here or anywhere in footy fan land would blv how many players deals etc get spoken about & that 1% get actioned, now that’s more widely known as media report anything as FACT inc those off-cuff conversations that go nowhere — lead by info from player agents and ppl at clubs reporting on OTHER clubs happenings to serve their own purpose. I used to cop copious accounts I was making things up for fun even though I’d preface it was pure spec and little chance of happening — NOW though media does same but reports it as likely, as they build the narrative to gain ascendancy and therefore help enable a guiding coalition towards their own report ergo McClure and the constant BS about MORE, or the Kos talk that Edmund admits openly comes only from reports via his ‘fam’ and friends — I mean how irresponsible is that?!?! If I lived interstate I’d tell my family I wanna come home too, that’s just what you DO — but it doesn’t signal his intent or reality whatsoever.. Would you want to tell Family who desperately want you home that you like it at the MFC??? and have no other to leave?

This Oliver story was always coming, the same old journos couldn’t help but give it away, and then they dare say it’s A when it reality is B — It’s all to try and get their own stories validity, they’d LOVE it to come out true so they do all they can to aid that outcome. Inc taking skewed info from agents and report it as being FACT when they know it’s often spin and that they’re being used as a vessel for a certain narrative! It’s pathetic and I’m enjoying calling them on it on socials and talkback when I can but I need accomplices..

Moving fwd if anyone does let’s use a code word so we know its form Demonland - maybe we drop the word ‘abhorrent’ in the post or call 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

Pls delete moderator/Andy

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3 hours ago, Lexinator said:

Dawaj, dawaj! Right on, comrade! 

I am married to a beautiful Polish woman. While buying Pierogi, Poppy and Cheesecake from the Polish Cake shop - Europa in Carnegie - I told the owner, My wife is Polish. She replied, Polish girls, they keep you on your toes. I replied, Trouble is, I am not a ballerina. 

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Anyone who hasn’t heard this listen NOW — well done Dan, as usual CORN used bullying tactics and LIES to shoot down a valid argument — I’ll be going HARD at this [censored] next week and I’ll be ready for the bully antics I’ve dealt with many throughout my schooling and career so let’s go Kane you putrid excuse for a human.. of course we are not happy but we’re staunch and aren’t gonna swallow the media lies anymore, champ!

 

Houston is DYING to get out does it ending contracted, as are many more — Clarry hasn’t asked for a trade and Trac didn’t either but that’s what the mainstream media lead by SEN Are about — fake news and player agent alignment likely with kickbacks as shocking as that sounds! Something sure stinks — we did some diligence and caught Connor sports in their lies and said enough, end of!!!

 

 

 

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20 hours ago, Monbon said:

I am married to a beautiful Polish woman. While buying Pierogi, Poppy and Cheesecake from the Polish Cake shop - Europa in Carnegie - I told the owner, My wife is Polish. She replied, Polish girls, they keep you on your toes. I replied, Trouble is, I am not a ballerina. 

Haha, that's brilliant 👏 funny thing is, not the first or last time you or I will hear this 🤣 my mum certainly kept me honest growing up!

Haven't been there, not part of my woods but if I'm ever down there, for sure will visit. I'm not sure where my wife gets Polish stuff for me, but somewhere there's a few stores in the western suburbs. Pierogi, and poppy and cheese cake is the best! I ate my weights worth, mostly pierogi, in Poland when I went there in June/July this year 😁

[Monbon 1,840]

4 hours ago, Lexinator said:

Haha, that's brilliant 👏 funny thing is, not the first or last time you or I will hear this 🤣 my mum certainly kept me honest growing up!

Haven't been there, not part of my woods but if I'm ever down there, for sure will visit. I'm not sure where my wife gets Polish stuff for me, but somewhere there's a few stores in the western suburbs. Pierogi, and poppy and cheese cake is the best! I ate my weights worth, mostly pierogi, in Poland when I went there in June/July this year 😁

 

4 hours ago, Lexinator said:

Haha, that's brilliant 👏 funny thing is, not the first or last time you or I will hear this 🤣 my mum certainly kept me honest growing up!

Haven't been there, not part of my woods but if I'm ever down there, for sure will visit. I'm not sure where my wife gets Polish stuff for me, but somewhere there's a few stores in the western suburbs. Pierogi, and poppy and cheese cake is the best! I ate my weights worth, mostly pierogi, in Poland when I went there in June/July this year 😁

There's a fantastic Polish Deli in Perth Avenue, Albion, off Ballarat Road...

My wife's parents are from Llodz...Woodge

[Fork 'em 7,043]

We wouldn't be in the media so often if we didn't give the parasites so much to feed on.

[deejammin' 2,374]

48 minutes ago, Fork 'em said:

We wouldn't be in the media so often if we didn't give the parasites so much to feed on.

That’s not remotely true. Our club barely leaked anything 22-23 and yet we were smashed in the media, particularly Michael Warner in the Herald Sun, every week on the word of two disgruntled ex employees one of whom last worked for the club in Goodwin’s first year on the basis of scurrilous rumours that have never been proven and have been strenuously denied. 

The same story was then run by the media for a month this year despite it being more than 6 years old and despite the Dr who was providing the story immediately backing away from it as soon as the focus moved away from it being an MFC issue to a broader AFL policy issue.
There has been a clear campaign from the AFL media against three individuals at our club and the club more generally since 2022 and it has escalated lately mainly as our on-field performance has dropped, a few players have been unhappy and they were able to get one of the three, in Kate Roffey.
 

Compare our coverage to that of Collingwood, they also had a HUGE drop off in form, players who want to leave and a huge scandal involving their CEO going on who was stood down and who has had serious situations involving misogyny under his watch for three years now. Or Geelong’s story with Stengle this year to the treatment of Clarry the year before. Crickets. The media is after MFC disproportionately to everyone else. Fact.

Edited October 6, 2024 by deejammin'

[layzie 34,326]

[Bowserpower 168]

This thread and the other one on the trade board about fighting back through adversity are two of the most pointless threads on here at the moment. What is the endgame with these?

Most people here don't want rhetoric, they want responsibility from the club.

[Macca 17,113]

Best to ignore the media, the only way to shut them up is to win games.  Personally, they don't bother me as I don't respect the media.  It's like water off a ducks back

But I did notice that we were the media darlings when we won the flag.  They were all over us

But as we've discovered, if you don't win when you are seemingly expected to win, we went from media darlings to a vulture feeding frenzy

We probably should have seen it coming but a flagless 57 years keeps you out of the loop.  Irrelevant to relevant has a price

And we're well and truly in the loop right now.  Welcome to success/failure!

 

So, we need to get fit and healthy again and then start winning

And we've done it before but in the last 2 years a mass of injuries has intervened (midfield in '24 & forward line in '23)

Not an excuse, sound reasoning

 

e.g. Merrijig to Mt Buller is about a 5 hour, 30k walk.  If you're young, fit and healthy, you should be able to complete the walk without too much fuss

But if you tear a calf muscle off the bone, the day before the walk, you won't be able to do it

Not an excuse, sound reasoning

Just got to get it done and win just like we did in '21

Edited October 8, 2024 by Macca

[Macca 17,113]

@Tolstoys Nudge

Just changing tack a bit in terms of the winning and the losing (forget the media for now) ...

Things are a lot different these days with regards to our fighting qualities.  We may well have run out of quality forwards in '23 and quality midfielders in '24 but we can't be accused of giving up In either of those years.  Nor in '22 and definitely not in '21

In the last 4 years, I could count on one hand the amount of times our heads dropped.  And it wouldn't be 5 times

But take a trip back in the wayback machine to say 2013, 2012, 2009, 2008 etc etc and we'll remember a stack of times when it looked like we gave up

But not these days! When we lose it's often when we're well matched or we're running low on talent

We are in games on a constant basis.  We definitely need to tweak our game plan in order to become more efficient with regards to scoring and I see that as our major issue

The list is still in very good shape (if all the players are fit and firing and in the right headspace)

The only way to shut up the detractors is to win.  And winning isn't easy.  It's hard work, but we've got the talent & coaching to overcome adversity and win

Edited October 8, 2024 by Macca