MFC AGM

[Dante 2,562]

1 hour ago, Lord Nev said:

That's no different to on zoom.

Either way they don't know what the person is going to ask.

 

Are you a spokesperson for the board, you seem to have the answers down pat?

Perhaps you can answer this, how can a candidate get on the board when the president throws their weight behind the incumbents and almost refuses to recognise the challengers?

Vlad would be impressed with that system.

[Lord Nev 13,511]

26 minutes ago, Dante said:

Are you a spokesperson for the board, you seem to have the answers down pat?

Perhaps you can answer this, how can a candidate get on the board when the president throws their weight behind the incumbents and almost refuses to recognise the challengers?

Vlad would be impressed with that system.

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/club/contact

 

[Dante 2,562]

11 minutes ago, Lord Nev said:

https://www.melbournefc.com.au/club/contact

 

I thought that as you were doing an excellent job of answering questions on behalf of the Board you must be some sort of an insider, is that not the case?

 

[Lord Nev 13,511]

Just now, Dante said:

I thought that as you were doing an excellent job of answering questions on behalf of the Board you must be some sort of an insider, is that not the case?

No, that's not the case. Was merely using logic. Apologies for bringing that here.

[Great Northern Summer 689]

When I registered for the AGM back in February I also registered a question I wanted answered at the AGM. Interesting that near the end of the AGM they said they answered all questions which weren’t ‘individual questions I.e. about a member’s membership’. Well, they never answered my question. I then posed it again in the chat box on the Zoom call. Ignored.

The question was concerning the Board’s decision to essentially ‘advocate’ particular board members in election rather than give everyone an equal footing, particularly as anyone applying is a legitimate Melbourne person. Obviously they didn’t want to go near this one. 

Edited March 3, 2022 by Glorious Day

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,534]

18 hours ago, Dante said:

Are you a spokesperson for the board, you seem to have the answers down pat?

Perhaps you can answer this, how can a candidate get on the board when the president throws their weight behind the incumbents and almost refuses to recognise the challengers?

Vlad would be impressed with that system.

I think Chairs of Boards are perfectly entitled to support the case for specific individuals. Obviously, in a contested election, this means other candidates are not supported. The Chair has a responsibility to ensure the Board is unified and has all the skills that the Board needs. I'd be disappointed if the Chair wasn't taking those matters into consideration. If members don't like the way the Chair leads, or the way the Board functions, they have every opportunity to vote that Board out.

With respect to our club, members have just had the opportunity to elect who they want and decided for whatever reason to return the incumbents. Did the Chair's active support for the retiring Directors help them and hinder Lawrence? Probably, but the members who decided to return the incumbents are still capable of thinking for themselves and decided as a group that they didn't want change at this time.  

[jnrmac 19,327]

21 hours ago, Lord Nev said:

They could do the same with a 'real life' presentation too.

Fact is, if they call for open questions it's no different on zoom.

Thats not right. We do that at our company with shareholders who submit questions. You can choose to make the questions public or keep them private. In our case they are kept private. The moderators simply selects the ones they want to answer and ignores ones they don't

[Lord Nev 13,511]

1 hour ago, jnrmac said:

Thats not right. We do that at our company with shareholders who submit questions. You can choose to make the questions public or keep them private. In our case they are kept private. The moderators simply selects the ones they want to answer and ignores ones they don't

Which is exactly the same as written questions submitted to a 'real life' meeting. There's no difference.

An open mic is an open mic whether it's on zoom or in person.

Chat function questions = written questions.

 

[Dante 2,562]

2 hours ago, La Dee-vina Comedia said:

I think Chairs of Boards are perfectly entitled to support the case for specific individuals. Obviously, in a contested election, this means other candidates are not supported. The Chair has a responsibility to ensure the Board is unified and has all the skills that the Board needs. I'd be disappointed if the Chair wasn't taking those matters into consideration. If members don't like the way the Chair leads, or the way the Board functions, they have every opportunity to vote that Board out.

With respect to our club, members have just had the opportunity to elect who they want and decided for whatever reason to return the incumbents. Did the Chair's active support for the retiring Directors help them and hinder Lawrence? Probably, but the members who decided to return the incumbents are still capable of thinking for themselves and decided as a group that they didn't want change at this time.  

How naive 

[Fritta and Turner 3,830]

2 hours ago, Dante said:

How naive 

R u serious?

If you think that the Pres/Board will source a person to fill a casual vacancy and then not support them at the next election then I question your judgement, to put it mildly.

I would say though that to be elected, regardless of your talents, you have to have the support of substantial elements (sponsors, coteries, past players assoc etc) of the club.

If you can't beat them, join them.

[Dante 2,562]

12 minutes ago, Jontee said:

R u serious?

If you think that the Pres/Board will source a person to fill a casual vacancy and then not support them at the next election then I question your judgement, to put it mildly.

I would say though that to be elected, regardless of your talents, you have to have the support of substantial elements (sponsors, coteries, past players assoc etc) of the club.

If you can't beat them, join them.

Unless you've been living under a rock you would know there was more than one Board member up for re election.

There was a member from WA who hasn't attended on Board meeting in at least the last 12 months.

You would say that to be elected, regardless of your talents, you have to have the support of substantial elements (sponsors, coteries, past players assoc etc) of the club.

But A) You don't know that for a fact and B) You have no idea what sort of relationship the other candidates have with the sponsors coteries etc.

Anyway the election is over, the AGM is over and I await word on our new facilities and other exciting news on fund raising because let me assure you, they cannot keep going to the same well and getting donations from the same few.

[Fritta and Turner 3,830]

11 minutes ago, Dante said:

Unless you've been living under a rock you would know there was more than one Board member up for re election.

I like my rock....bloody humid though

 

11 minutes ago, Dante said:

There was a member from WA who hasn't attended on Board meeting in at least the last 12 months.

and how did they go in the election?

 

12 minutes ago, Dante said:

You would say that to be elected, regardless of your talents, you have to have the support of substantial elements (sponsors, coteries, past players assoc etc) of the club.

But A) You don't know that for a fact and B) You have no idea what sort of relationship the other candidates have with the sponsors coteries etc.

TBH no, after all it is a secret ballot.  I am just trying to make the point that  you or me sitting down, reading candidate statements etc, picking the best person for the job etc is a very minor part of the electoral process.  Remember the old days when a 'sponsor' would buy 500 memberships, signup his staff and get voted onto the board?

I still think it is all about connections and Roffey connects best with me.

[Dante 2,562]

6 hours ago, Jontee said:

I like my rock....bloody humid though

 

and how did they go in the election?

 

TBH no, after all it is a secret ballot.  I am just trying to make the point that  you or me sitting down, reading candidate statements etc, picking the best person for the job etc is a very minor part of the electoral process.  Remember the old days when a 'sponsor' would buy 500 memberships, signup his staff and get voted onto the board?

I still think it is all about connections and Roffey connects best with me.

With all due respect, me discussing this with you is pointless, unless you know something I don’t, which I doubt, we are wasting each others time. 
Let’s just say I won’t be tipping any more money in to the club until they have fair, equal and transparent elections. 
BTW, the WA member of the board kept his spot, and probably won’t attend any meetings this year. 

Edited March 4, 2022 by Dante

[La Dee-vina Comedia 16,534]

On 3/4/2022 at 5:50 PM, Jontee said:

TBH no, after all it is a secret ballot.  I am just trying to make the point that  you or me sitting down, reading candidate statements etc, picking the best person for the job etc is a very minor part of the electoral process.  Remember the old days when a 'sponsor' would buy 500 memberships, signup his staff and get voted onto the board?

I still think it is all about connections and Roffey connects best with me.

That's still the modus operandi of our political parties.

I'd like to think it doesn't happen any more at any football club, but, frankly, I wouldn't know.