Yze magic u have got the be the biggest KNOW IT ALL Wan... ever on DEMONLAND ... but here is a newsflash for u , U KNOW NOTHING....

Bruce worst kick in the AFL ey?

slight exageration to say the least....

week in week out u bash the crap out of players like Yze green miller .... welll u complain we cant kick ... and yze probly our best ball user ... u called for his blood and u got it.....

u want all these so called young guns.... to play ....

i hate to tell u but these young guns were SHITE today..... thats right

BATE was pathedic.... had like 5 clanger kicks and he has the least time in the AFL its like the player he is on is tackling him before he even has the ball.... he has no awareness....

JOnes i can say exacly the same.... he was crap....

as for bruce..... he played midfeild on hodge .... umm 10 possesions in first qrt.... his oppnonent hodge i think had 1 or 2...... bruce was moved down back and up foward.... throughtout the game....

show some respect......

29 possesions ....

as for ur little captain brock mclean..... talkin the talk from the sidelines.... i dont see anyone else stepping up besides bruce and mcdonald.

If you want Bruce to be captain, you never want to see a Demon flag

For my sake, and for your sake, and the MFCs sake, lets hope Brock dominates the last 15 games of the year and is made Captain in 2008

If not Brock, then another year for Neitz

We've got to focus on our centre clearances. They killed us again from there.

CARN THE DEES 2014

When's ski season start?

once again u forget BROCK ISNT PLAYING

How about one thing that did help Bruce was Johnstone receiving the hard tag all day to free up other players, and then receiving no help back from anyone at bounces helping shake the tag with blocks.

good call 'dee-fresh', melbourne are pathetic at the team 1%ers.

How about one thing that did help Bruce was Johnstone receiving the hard tag all day to free up other players, and then receiving no help back from anyone at bounces helping shake the tag with blocks.

receiving a hard tag while sewell(his opponent) managed to rack up a lazy 20 possies on him......just didn't work hard enough and at one point threw his hands in the air when mcdonald missed him in the forward line. He looks underdone from that toe maybe, still. Thought miller suprisingly was admirable even though he managed to cough up a chest mark just before 3q time on the 50m arc. Bruce is a very good player and to blame him today is LUDACRIS. Just TOOOOOO soft from a slow weak sh*t melbourne.........again. You wait so long every off season with bated breath and it blows being 0 - 2 again with geelong freo and syd to come. SH*T.

receiving a hard tag while sewell(his opponent) managed to rack up a lazy 20 possies on him......just didn't work hard enough and at one point threw his hands in the air when mcdonald missed him in the forward line. He looks underdone from that toe maybe, still. Thought miller suprisingly was admirable even though he managed to cough up a chest mark just before 3q time on the 50m arc. Bruce is a very good player and to blame him today is LUDACRIS. Just TOOOOOO soft from a slow weak sh*t melbourne.........again. You wait so long every off season with bated breath and it blows being 0 - 2 again with geelong freo and syd to come. SH*T.

That's 0 and 5 then. Quite a hole to dig out of.

doesnt get much easier after that with the dogs, port and west coast i think

doesnt get much easier after that with the dogs, port and west coast i think

You can tell me Richmond and Carlton are coming up, and I'd write those games off too at this point!

Yze magic u have got the be the biggest KNOW IT ALL Wan... ever on DEMONLAND ... but here is a newsflash for u , U KNOW NOTHING....

So says the semi-literate. He did not have a go at you, so relax a little.

I am so ashamed of Melbourne. Utterly disappointed. I didn't go to the game and very glad i didnt.

Why didn't you go to the game? Just asking.

What i noticed from the game:

*No pressure - No tackling

*A very slow team - how danners can ask us to run and carry when we have NO speed

If only ND would drop davey, TJ, Green - who at the end of the day will have to live knowing he was one of 22 who was responsible for our loss on game 150.

You need a lie down, because two of the missing factors, in your very own opinion, would be enhanced by dropping Davey. He needs to stay in the side because he provides all of those things you think are important - pressure, tackling, speed - regardless of his performance. He is having a tough time of it at the moment, but he is still a ball winner in terms of catching opposition players on the run and it will be only a matter of time before he comes good. He does not get enough time in the forward line for my liking, anyway, but that is my passing observation, because I did not sit there with a stop watch and time him.

hmmm Melbourne Storm seem to b doing well,at least one of my teams is s chance this year

But, it's only round 2... we're not allowed to panic yet, right?

youre dead right Jaded....tis only round two... shame on all you Dee folk.. where are your loyalties... where is your optimism.. where is yor belief....for mine they all caught the number 18 tram .. and who knows where they will be after that.

Roll up rol up all yo deluded fools ..those tha beleive that we will yet again prove might and contest the elimination final only to bow out the week later.. ahhh they are the days...such lofty heights .. if only all our years could be such!!!

Today is simply summed up in two elements.

firstly we arent as good as we think !!

and secondly..the hawkers are at leat honest and going to give it a red hot try

we're in for a long season...much rhetoric.. a lot of cr@pping on..and probably at least 1001 plans to rejuvinate the mighty Dees !! the irony is at least 775 of those are better than our current game plan!!

personally I have infinite faith and will not give up the season till round 11:-)

well...you either laugh or you cry..

performances so far arent worth my effort at even tears

Lets look at some positives, Miller kicked 3 goals, would of had 8-10 marks and played well, could off had more of it if our disposal wasn't so bad. Nathan Brown and Godfrey, I wish we could but these guys hearts into TJ, Green, Davey, Bate and a number of others or better still give them TJ's skills. We all are quick me included to bag these two but with the limited ability they have they have a crack and try every time they get game. Jones for a second year player will only get better he tries runs hard kicking needs some work but will be a good player for us.

Now for some negatives

Injuries, can't help that they just happen, looks like we will be with out Neitz and Robbo next week. They join Dunn, Brock and you can also include Pickett because he is still 2 weeks away. That's three tall forwards out.

Coaching firstly conditioning, I thought we got the new running coach because we wanted to increase our speed, we look slow through the midfield. Skills we are playing a possesion style of game but we can't hit targets, we handball to a player standing still, we handball behind the player running past our skills are well below the standard required to even make the final eight. The head coach ND, for some reason our team refuses to play the coridor even when we had space up the middle we changed direction and went to the wings, very easy for a team to defend when your attacking from the wings. Match ups very bad today down back, when Rivers went of for a break nobody picked up Franklin, he never puts Carroll on the best forward. Bell should of started on Williams he was always going to be to quick for Whelan, Whelan is better on small roving forwards not hard leading ones. Starting TJ out of the centre square, put him where the ball is, trying to make Davey a midfielder and taking him away from what he loves doing, kicking goals.

Our top tier Johnstone, Bruce, Green, Davey, Robbo are to hot and cold. Their good is good and bad is bad no in between we never know what we will get from these players when we go to the footy. We really lack a topline elite player most clubs have one a go to match winner.

We accept losing, I believe certain clubs have winning cultures they don't stay down for long. We accept excuses and have done for many years. I'm not just talking about today but we always have an excuse for losing, ran out of legs, injuries, our players over used to footy.

Oh another positive, we can still lose 4-5 more games this year and finish top 4.

I thought that Miller was good today. 3 goals and tried his best. Those saying that playing Jamar and White fwd is stupid, well i ask you this question. If Nieta isn't playing and your looking for a tall forward to kick to (besides Miller) who can you kick to? Robbo? Bate? Davey? Bruce? hmm......we looked better in the last qtr with Jamar or White playing forward. At least they had a tall target to kick to. Both White and Jamar marked and goaled in the last qtr. Obviously this is not a long term solution, but Danners had no one else. Juice Newton will most likely play FF next week.

Bate struggled again this week and i believe that he needs a week and sandy. i think that Bate has as much awareness as Godfry(who was okay today).

Something i have noticed in the last two weeks has been a lack of options up ahead at a mark/kick situation. So many times a mark on the half back line toa melbourne player was greeted with flat footed players further afield hence there was no lead to kick to up ahead.

Furthermore, Hawthorn i thought did this well. Quite often they'd tranfer play from one side to the other when coming out of their backline and it seemed to work. But also there players appeared more determined to offer an option. Melbourne were poor in this area.

Anyhow thats my two cents worth.

Some thoughts.

We were bad for most of the game, no excuses. There is no single reason why we lost today: it was a cumulation of many smaller reasons. We missed Neitz for most of the game - as well as the other guys who were missing from before the bounce - but again that doesn't excuse the ordinary performance of the guys who bore the privilege of wearing the jumper today. I can just about stand losing when I feel that we were beaten by a club that fielded a better team than us (as has so often been the case when watching Melbourne over the past 20 odd years) but not when we get rolled by a team barely competant enough to string two quarters of decent footy together and unlikely to make the top 8 (see last week's game as well). We were quite bad for the most part and the team cannot collectively absolve itself of responsibility for that. I hope the "on paper" competition for spots we saw at the beginning of the season comes to fruition after this: if Holland, Bizzell and Yze aren't back next week, I would love to know has earned a spot in front of them.

Still, some of the nonesense on here goes a bit too far. Anyone who would name Bruce or Miller outside of our top half-dozen best today needs their heads checked. I shudder to think how much we would have lost by without these two on the ground. A lot of things didn't go out way today (Williams got at least 3 goals from dogdy frees for starters) and so while the team can't really excuse what they produced today, I think some of the wrist-slashing here has been a bit unnecessary. If the team can produce the sort of football they have for four of the eight quarters we've seen so far this season then we still have the chance to acheive something meaningful this season. If we produce the sort of football we've seen for the other 4 quarters this season then we might as well start praying for a low finish, some high draft-picks and Chris Judd in the pre-season if we want to see some meaningful late-season action iover the next few seasons.

Where we lost the game:

-Stupid mistakes: Miller, Bate dropping chest marks. Unforgivable free kicks conceded by Whelan, Bell and others... Honestly, these guys are meant to be AFL players.

-Kicking for goal late in the first quarter, had a couple of shots that were very kickable and would have really hurt the Hawks.

Areas of concern:

-Injuries to Neitz, Robbo and others?

-Every game we have at least 2 of our 'core' midfielders go missing

-Bate seemed overwhelmed in the furnace

-No ability to keep the ball in the forward line. Lacking pressure and agility once ball goes to ground.

Positives to be taken out of the game:

-Miller had a good game

-Jones almost single-handedly kept us in it late in the 3rd quarter. Showing very good signs.

-Godfrey was not the worst