only needs to tidy up his disposal and goal kicking, which are below par.

If AVB is our best player in a prelim, I know that we have lost the game without needing to look at the scoreboard.

We have many better players than him that we would need playing well to not only win, but make a Grand Final.

His true worth to the team is to play very well, and be around the 6th-9th best player on the ground.

37 minutes ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Go back to round 22 against the eagled and watch the 1st half. It was Vanders who set the tone for the day with his manic agressive pressure and tackling.

Vanders is best 22 and a crucial part of our structure. 

Agree.

I said last year that he reminds me a bit of dipper, in terms of style, role, size, attack on the ball (and man) and importance to the team.

Probably won't win a brownlow though. 

1 hour ago, The Chazz said:

If AVB is our best player in a prelim, I know that we have lost the game without needing to look at the scoreboard.

We have many better players than him that we would need playing well to not only win, but make a Grand Final.

His true worth to the team is to play very well, and be around the 6th-9th best player on the ground.

I think his true worth, particularly come finals, is as an enforcer.

Not in a dirty sense, but in the 'i can hear footsteps and am about to get pounded 'and 'ouch, i just got pounded, that really hurt, will slow me down today' sense

2 hours ago, dazzledavey36 said:

Go back to round 22 against the eagled and watch the 1st half. It was Vanders who set the tone for the day with his manic agressive pressure and tackling.

Vanders is best 22 and a crucial part of our structure. 

I agree dazz, and I'm pretty sure our MC see him in a similar light.  If they didn't, he would now be wearing Sydney colours.

You guys must be on pills. I've been promoting this bloke for the past two years, but his disposal in our second to last match was atrocious - by far the worst on the field. I'm afraid that can't ever be fixed. If we're to move forward, Vanders doesn't have a place in the team without significant improvement - despite his physical impact, which the majority are now bringing to the mix. Werridee, others inclined, show your best 22 and who Arron will keep out of the team in the longer course of the season if we are to approach and make our mark on the finals?  Setting the tone is one thing, for a young immature team, but maintaining elite standards for a flag-challenger is another thing altogether.

7 hours ago, CBDees said:

I think that you can also add Joel Smith into that mix!

Vanders and Pike's style, good association. Add Preusse to the mix with a dash of Tracca and Viney and the year is sown up.

I love what he brings to the table, and I reckon he and ANB can add a fair bit to support McDonald up forward in the absence of Hogan. 

1 hour ago, redbluenblood said:

I love what he brings to the table, and I reckon he and ANB can add a fair bit to support McDonald up forward in the absence of Hogan. 

As the games roll by, this is meritorious thought. Some support options now exist across the whole team.