11 minutes ago, old dee said:

What would Hogan get us on the Market do you think?

2 x first rounders

3 minutes ago, MSFebey said:

2 x first rounders

Impressive that should net us a good KPB. Worth considering IMO.

7 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

Nothing, as he's not on it.

But he could be !

Just now, old dee said:

Impressive that should net us a good KPB. Worth considering IMO.

Not a fan OD? With an ageing Pedo, Tmacs foot, Weids inconsistency would you still give up on Hoges? I do agree that we need an experienced KPD though

1 minute ago, old dee said:

But he could be !

You don't dangle 23 year old key forwards on the market.  Josh Mahoney isn't a fool.

20 minutes ago, old dee said:

What would Hogan get us on the Market do you think?

Oh come on, really?!?!

10 minutes ago, Wiseblood said:

You don't dangle 23 year old key forwards on the market.  Josh Mahoney isn't a fool.

In Saturdays debacle he was ranked 13th out of 22 players. 14 disposals, 2 tackles and one goal. Not exactly the stuff of a champion forward in fact hardly the stuff of a good one. I reckon the FD would think about it. However it won't happen we are not daring enough. Re Mahoney not so sure about that he gave up a lot for a half back.

Edited July 25, 20187 yr by old dee

8 minutes ago, Cards13 said:

Oh come on, really?!?!

Well if we want something good we have to give up something and we have no first round picks.

Jeepers, OD. Did you watch the first half of the season? Jesse was a key contributor and often dominant. He's going through a slight down patch, but still contributing. In key position terms he's still young too.

24 minutes ago, old dee said:

Well if we want something good we have to give up something and we have no first round picks.

Getting rid of Jesse would make us worse, not better. No deal.

1 minute ago, A F said:

Jeepers, OD. Did you watch the first half of the season? Jesse was a key contributor and often dominant. He's going through a slight down patch, but still contributing. In key position terms he's still young too.

What if we continue with no finals appearances because our back line is crap. Come the end of 2019 he might want out back to WA etc. deal might be better now and we are not going to win a flag with the current back line.

3 minutes ago, old dee said:

Well if we want something good we have to give up something and we have no first round picks.

Enjoy the Gus has signed thread, head over to the “who should be “realistically” target at seasons end” thread.. you’ll fit right in. 

3 minutes ago, A F said:

Getting rid of Jesse would make us worse, not better. No deal.

Then how do we get a good KPB? Who else has currency ?

Just now, Cards13 said:

Enjoy the Gus has signed thread, head over to the “who should be “realistically” target at seasons end” thread.. you’ll fit right in. 

It is only a discussion cards it is not as though the FD takes any notice of us. Yep ok probably not on the right thread. 

42 minutes ago, old dee said:

What would Hogan get us on the Market do you think?

A pack of whinnie blues. 

34 minutes ago, old dee said:

What if we continue with no finals appearances because our back line is crap. Come the end of 2019 he might want out back to WA etc. deal might be better now and we are not going to win a flag with the current back line.

What do you mean what if? I thought you were being positive this season. Your argument is nonsensical mate, based on what ifs. Deal with what's in front of us. We're in 7th position. Jesse has been an integral part of that and until the midway point of the season, our 23 year old KPF was in AA contention and now you want him traded because he might want to leave in a year's time? 

And how do we get a good KPB? We develop them and we certainly don't give away a good KPF (who are far rarer) in search of one.

It's such a frustratingly narrow-minded and dated view of footy too, OD. Is one full back going to make a difference to our defensive system? Have you watched footy in the last decade? It's about system. Our system needs to get better. If an undersized (IMO ordinary) Josh Gibson can win multiple premierships, that tells you something about the power of modern defensive systems.

I feel like I'm having a conversation with a really negative version of my father.

Edited July 25, 20187 yr by A F

NEVER. IN. DOUBT. i see leadership potential in angus. not a fan of viney as captain. needs to work on his communication skills and still seems quite immature. tom mcdonald has also really impressed me of late. then we have lever too. we are blessed at the moment with so many young lions coming through. but as gus is my favourite player, i'd love to see him become co-captain/vice captain one day.

24 minutes ago, Rocky said:

NEVER. IN. DOUBT. i see leadership potential in angus. not a fan of viney as captain. needs to work on his communication skills and still seems quite immature. tom mcdonald has also really impressed me of late. then we have lever too. we are blessed at the moment with so many young lions coming through. but as gus is my favourite player, i'd love to see him become co-captain/vice captain one day.

Jack is our Selwood. He just needs some continuity. Will be A grade if he can get on the park consistently.

1 minute ago, A F said:

Jack is our Selwood. He just needs some continuity. Will be A grade if he can get on the park consistently.

as a player. not as a captain.

2 minutes ago, Rocky said:

as a player. not as a captain.

He is neither if he cannot get on the park.

30 minutes ago, Rocky said:

as a player. not as a captain.

He's new to the role. He'll make a great captain in time IMO.

8 minutes ago, A F said:

What do you mean what if? I thought you were being positive this season. Your argument is nonsensical mate, based on what ifs. Deal with what's in front of us. We're in 7th position. Jesse has been an integral part of that and until the midway point of the season, our 23 year old KPF was in AA contention and now you want him traded because he might want to leave in a year's time? 

And how do we get a good KPB? We develop them and we certainly don't give away a good KPF (who are far rarer) in search of one.

It's such a frustratingly narrow-minded and dated view of footy too, OD. Is one full back going to make a difference to our defensive system? Have you watched footy in the last decade? It's about system. Our system needs to get better. If an undersized (IMO ordinary) Josh Gibson can win multiple premierships, that tells you something about the power of modern defensive systems.

I feel like I'm having a conversation with a really negative version of my father.

This started out as what do we have to trade to get a good KPB. I was just wondering what he would be worth. Now you make some good points. Have I watched the football in the last decade ? Sadly most bloody weeks and as Mr Roos said earlier we as so easy to score against. No matter what system you have you need good players to implement it. Clearly as the results show our back line player stocks are not good enough. Now using Hogan may not be the best option but how do we get one or two good back line players if we don't trade a player for them. 

33 minutes ago, old dee said:

This started out as what do we have to trade to get a good KPB. I was just wondering what he would be worth. Now you make some good points. Have I watched the football in the last decade ? Sadly most bloody weeks and as Mr Roos said earlier we as so easy to score against. No matter what system you have you need good players to implement it. Clearly as the results show our back line player stocks are not good enough. Now using Hogan may not be the best option but how do we get one or two good back line players if we don't trade a player for them. 

I guess what I'm saying is logic should have ruled out Hogan as tradebait.

And I maintain that it's not a personnel issue (except the missing Lever and Hibberd), but a system error. I fear we put all our eggs in the one basket over the off season and built the system around one player (Lever). We tried to ensure everyone else in that system complimented him and so when he went down, it took us a few weeks to adjust and we've never quite recovered, especially with the injury to Hibberd, which has compounded the problem.

Our midfield needs to get better at its defensive running for longer though and our half forwards and deep forwards need to work harder for longer too, and lock the ball inside our 'territory'.

Forget going after an experienced KPB. It's not going to happen. Improve the system. 

Edited July 25, 20187 yr by A F

10 minutes ago, A F said:

He's new to the role. He'll make a great captain in time IMO.

just to be clear, i have no doubt viney is passionate and will be a star of the comp once fit, i just feel that brayshaw would be better suited to the position and i like him better personally. each to their own. we're lucky we have both!

Edited July 25, 20187 yr by Rocky

23 minutes ago, Rocky said:

just to be clear, i have no doubt viney is passionate and will be a star of the comp once fit, i just feel that brayshaw would be better suited to the position and i like him better personally. each to their own. we're lucky we have both!

I love both players at their peak and they'll compliment each other. Gus may well make a really good leader in time too, but we'll agree to disagree on Viney as captain.