7 hours ago, SaberFang said:

Have read two rumours. One is that players were forced into a fake hostage situation, with "terrorists" ambushing their bus and holding players at gunpoint. 

Another scneario, revealed by Damian Barrett tonight on FC, involved some kind of nighttime hunter/predator chase through a forest, which left players bewildered and confused.

The whole thing sounds utterly bizarre.

None of those sound like appropriate team building exercises to a football team to me

15 hours ago, Ethan Tremblay said:

So you can touch the umpires when you’re attempting to demonstrate your point? Got it. 

nope.......you get fined......lol

3 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

nope.......you get fined......lol

Only if you are in the running for the brownlow, otherwise its a suspension and AFL will appeal......

4 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Only if you are in the running for the brownlow, otherwise its a suspension and AFL will appeal......

well, do you really want to see players (regardless of brownlow aspirations) lose games for minor inconsequential umpire touching. in most cases being fined guilty of misconduct and fined seems appropriate

the only one of the recent charges that had a serious element to it was hawkins who appeared to lose his temper (then backed off). he rightly got referred to the mrp

no doubt though the processes and commentary we have seen recently have been a bit vaudevillian

8 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

well, do you really want to see players (regardless of brownlow aspirations) lose games for minor inconsequential umpire touching. in most cases being fined guilty of misconduct and fined seems appropriate

the only one of the recent charges that had a serious element to it was hawkins who appeared to lose his temper (then backed off). he rightly got referred to the mrp

no doubt though the processes and commentary we have seen recently have been a bit vaudevillian

All I want to see is a simple set of rules that is fair to every player, not different rules for different players.

13 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

well, do you really want to see players (regardless of brownlow aspirations) lose games for minor inconsequential umpire touching. in most cases being fined guilty of misconduct and fined seems appropriate

the only one of the recent charges that had a serious element to it was hawkins who appeared to lose his temper (then backed off). he rightly got referred to the mrp

no doubt though the processes and commentary we have seen recently have been a bit vaudevillian

While on the face of it, it does seem over-the-top for players to be rubbed out for 'minor inconsequential umpire touching', I don't think it's simple where to draw the line.  At what point DC do you think it should become more than a fine?  

Eg, apparently the AFL now (suddenly) considers showing the umpire how someone was pushed is a fine  (and will change the rules at year's end, while not enforcing it now). But presumably showing the umpire how someone had their head pulled off and spun to the ground is still a suspension.   

So the AFL/Tribunal will as usual have to make decisions on each case.  If only they could do it without many of us being suspicious as to the motivations for their inconsistencies, particularly wiht 'stars'.  If they keep on their current course I'll need therapy to overcome my growing cynicism.

Edited June 19, 20186 yr by sue

Just make it intentional or unintentional, no grey area, everyone knows where they stand the end.

19 hours ago, DubDee said:

Anyone have any idea how Dusty gets a fine for an ump push and Curnow get a week for an ump push?

 

Maybe the AFL forgot to tell everyone that the system used actually involves a points formula where the last step in the process is to multiply the points by ladder position to get a final number.

The Brownlow has become meaningless to me sadly...

As a kid it was a huge award, but ever since Dipperdethuggero won it in ‘86 i have taken little notice. 

Dustin Martin is a ball player, but he still gets an armchair ride. 

Is the one arm fend off actually legal, or does no one really know?

Edited June 19, 20186 yr by Sir Why You Little

8 minutes ago, Sir Why You Little said:

The Brownlow has become meaningless to me sadly...

As a kid it was a huge award, but ever since Dipperdethuggero won it in ‘86 i have taken little notice. 

Dustin Martin is a ball player, but he still gets an armchair ride. 

Is the one arm fend off actually legal, or does no one really know?

Max Gawn constantly gets frees paid against for his one armed fend off, it's one of his biggest issues that he is working on.

2 minutes ago, SFebey said:

Max Gawn constantly gets frees paid against for his one armed fend off, it's one of his biggest issues that he is working on.

Meanwhile Martin is able to use it as an attaking part of his game repeatedly 

5 hours ago, SFebey said:

All I want to see is a simple set of rules that is fair to every player, not different rules for different players.

hence my last point about being vaudevillian

5 hours ago, sue said:

While on the face of it, it does seem over-the-top for players to be rubbed out for 'minor inconsequential umpire touching', I don't think it's simple where to draw the line.  At what point DC do you think it should become more than a fine?  

Eg, apparently the AFL now (suddenly) considers showing the umpire how someone was pushed is a fine  (and will change the rules at year's end, while not enforcing it now). But presumably showing the umpire how someone had their head pulled off and spun to the ground is still a suspension.   

So the AFL/Tribunal will as usual have to make decisions on each case.  If only they could do it without many of us being suspicious as to the motivations for their inconsistencies, particularly wiht 'stars'.  If they keep on their current course I'll need therapy to overcome my growing cynicism.

i agree it is hard to frame the rules for those situations that are not overtly violent, threatening or aggressive. a bit of common sense needs to be applied but that still wouldn't satisfy anyone. maybe the option of 2 levels of fines for the minor stuff with the more serious stuff clearly defined and sent straight to the mro