Co2 is good for grapes by the way.

1 minute ago, Wrecker45 said:

Can't believe one of my own threads has been hijacked by climate change. That's my job.

well, wrecker, at least no-one has brought up racism or hitler...........................yet

11 hours ago, daisycutter said:

well, wrecker, at least no-one has brought up racism or hitler...........................yet

Hitler was a teetotaler so is Trump.

23 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Hitler was a teetotaler so is Trump.

one down, one to go.....................hmmmmm...unintended double meaning 

26 minutes ago, daisycutter said:

one down, one to go.....................hmmmmm...unintended double meaning 

Thats racist, mysoginist and homophobic.

10 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

Thats racist, mysoginist and homophobic.

ah, the dinkum aussie way. nice one cobber

2 hours ago, Wrecker45 said:

Hitler was a teetotaler so is Trump.

Trump totals everything he touches...not just tea.

During the Trump era i shall "Get Drunk and Dance with Girls"

it is the only way to survive this madness

Still nothing from all those I have written to.

i just asked for one study showing non-drinkers have a mortality rate even equal to heavy drinkers.

They just don't seem to exist, despite extensive studies.

I've finally been given a study by Hart et al showing an increased mortality rate for drinkers.

Of the 1,833 non drinkers in the study, 834 of them smoked. WTF? I know some teetotallers but I don't know any that smoke. Was does in the 70's but that seems incredible to me. 

 

19 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

I've finally been given a study by Hart et al showing an increased mortality rate for drinkers.

Of the 1,833 non drinkers in the study, 834 of them smoked. WTF? I know some teetotallers but I don't know any that smoke. Was does in the 70's but that seems incredible to me. 

 

Hey Wrecker, found these for you:

http://www.science20.com/news_articles/alcoholism_knocks_off_an_average_76_years_of_life_and_leads_to_27_more_illnesses-154523

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121016163134.htm

 

** Just through googling, I have no opinion on this one way or the other, just trying to help find studies as you requested. I have not examined any of these articles or their sources.

Most stuff I found though seems to support your original contention that alcohol drinkers outlive abstainers.

 

This I found interesting, in a study that supported the notion that drinkers outlive non drinkers:

For example, prospective studies of men and women in Denmark (Grønbaek et al., 1995, 2000) and the United States (Klatsky et al., 2003) and men in France (Renaud et al., 1999) and the Netherlands (Streppel et al., 2009) reported that, in contrast to consumption of other alcoholic beverages, only wine consumption was associated with lower total mortality.

Source:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3237714/

 

 

So unfortunately it looks like it might not be clear cut. You might need to do further digging into the type of drink as well!

Best of luck mate.

3 hours ago, Choke said:

Hey Wrecker, found these for you:

http://www.science20.com/news_articles/alcoholism_knocks_off_an_average_76_years_of_life_and_leads_to_27_more_illnesses-154523

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121016163134.htm

 

** Just through googling, I have no opinion on this one way or the other, just trying to help find studies as you requested. I have not examined any of these articles or their sources.

Most stuff I found though seems to support your original contention that alcohol drinkers outlive abstainers.

 

This I found interesting, in a study that supported the notion that drinkers outlive non drinkers:

For example, prospective studies of men and women in Denmark (Grønbaek et al., 1995, 2000) and the United States (Klatsky et al., 2003) and men in France (Renaud et al., 1999) and the Netherlands (Streppel et al., 2009) reported that, in contrast to consumption of other alcoholic beverages, only wine consumption was associated with lower total mortality.

Source:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3237714/

 

 

So unfortunately it looks like it might not be clear cut. You might need to do further digging into the type of drink as well!

Best of luck mate.

so, you mean chardonnay sipping socialists will outlive us.....oh my god

6 hours ago, daisycutter said:

so, you mean chardonnay sipping socialists will outlive us.....oh my god

We don't sip by the way, in Fitzroy at least. We guzzle and it's not Chardonnay neither! 

18 minutes ago, Earl Hood said:

We don't sip by the way, in Fitzroy at least. We guzzle and it's not Chardonnay neither! 

EH am I detecting a hipster?

49 minutes ago, Wrecker45 said:

EH am I detecting a hipster?

Not sure of the definition of a hipster. I don't have a beard or tattoes but I do guzzle coffee in the morning after my trip to the gym and a Shiraz, Malbec or perhaps a Merlot later in the evening. Usually means I hit the deck quite early At night. 

1 minute ago, Earl Hood said:

Not sure of the definition of a hipster. I don't have a beard or tattoes but I do guzzle coffee in the morning after my trip to the gym and a Shiraz, Malbec or perhaps a Merlot later in the evening. Usually means I hit the deck quite early At night. 

Not hipster then. Not sure what category you fit it but I probably fall in it with you.