A Day at the Races

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

9 minutes ago, Macca said:

With multi's at the TAB we haven't got the option of 'Each-Way' so you have to painstakingly put separate bets on - or,  ring them and ask them to put all the configurations on. 

I've arrived at doing it a different way - I'm banking on getting 2 from 3 winners or 3 from 4 winners so will do a series of separate bets for the win only.

e.g.  we arrive at 3 best bets over the course of the week.  I will then put all 3 on for the win in a multi and any 2 of the 3 for the win only as well (a double)

If we end up with 4 picks or if I want to add another to the 3 I will repeat the same process but have 'saver' bets on 3 of the 4. 

In a nutshell we identified 6 best bets today (in a roundabout way)  ... Eurack (W)  Snitty Kitty (2nd) Bedford (W) Bye See (W) Don't Give A Damn (W) and Dainty Tess (yet to run)  All 6 were 'reinforced by at least one of us other than the person who originally identified the best bet.  

I'm not going to count 'From Within' in the 1st at Rosehill as I thought it was only each way value.

Ok yes, i see. But with a multi, you can put on different horses to win on different tracks right, which you cant do with a parlay. I think now you can also do multi place bets??

Edited February 3, 2018 by Wadda We Sing

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

I'll feel better if I say to myself that the barrier beat Dainty Tess today, nonetheless, I've had some fun today with our discussion. 

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

Just now, Demon77 said:

I'll feel better if I say to myself that the barrier beat Dainty Tess today, nonetheless, I've had some fun today with our discussion. 

Pyke gets too far back at times i reckon, leaves the run a bit late. Overconfident sometimes.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

4 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Ok yes, i see. But with a multi, you can put on different horses to win on different tracks right, which you cant do with a parlay. I think now you can also do multi place bets.

Yes, the multi was fixed odds which you can place on different tracks. A tote all up/parlay (haven't done one for a while) is at the same track only to my knowledge.

Edited February 3, 2018 by Demon77

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

11 minutes ago, Macca said:

With multi's at the TAB we haven't got the option of 'Each-Way' so you have to painstakingly put separate bets on - or,  ring them and ask them to put all the configurations on. 

I've arrived at doing it a different way - I'm banking on getting 2 from 3 winners or 3 from 4 winners so will do a series of separate bets for the win only.

e.g.  we arrive at 3 best bets over the course of the week.  I will then put all 3 on for the win in a multi and any 2 of the 3 for the win only as well (a double)

If we end up with 4 picks or if I want to add another to the 3 I will repeat the same process but have 'saver' bets on 3 of the 4. 

In a nutshell we identified 6 best bets today (in a roundabout way)  ... Eurack (W)  Snitty Kitty (2nd) Bedford (W) Bye See (W) Don't Give A Damn (W) and Dainty Tess (yet to run)  All 6 were 'reinforced by at least one of us other than the person who originally identified the best bet.  

I'm not going to count 'From Within' in the 1st at Rosehill as I thought it was only each way value.

Its actually good when i see it like that, otherwise its written over different posts and i have trouble reading back sometimes. Perhaps we could lay it out like this by 12pm raceday if possible. That was really good picking by you guys today. Pity about Shitty Kitty!

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

5 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

I'll feel better if I say to myself that the barrier beat Dainty Tess today, nonetheless, I've had some fun today with our discussion. 

Yes its been a lot of fun, thankyou.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

6 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

Yes, the multi was fixed odds which you can place on different tracks. A tote all up/parlay (haven't done one for a while) is at the same track only to my knowledge.

Yup, thats what i was getting at. I forgot because im out of practice!

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

 

19 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

With multi's at the TAB we haven't got the option of 'Each-Way' so you have to painstakingly put separate bets on - or,  ring them and ask them to put all the configurations on. 

Imagine my pain when I would venture to the Tab on Saturday whilst living in Brisbane a few years ago to place a tote all up bet.

No EBTs back then up there and your ticket gets printed on the back of the betting card you fill out. Same size as the ones down here, can you imagine putting 5 of those cards in your wallet lol?

Edited February 3, 2018 by Demon77

[Macca 16,900]

5 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Its actually good when i see it like that, otherwise its written over different posts and i have trouble reading back sometimes. Perhaps we could lay it out like this by 12pm raceday if possible. That was really good picking by you guys today. Pity about Shitty Kitty!

It's early doors Wadda ... we'll get ourselves organised over time.  No rush. 

I've seen enough today to see us getting some decent collects.  I got 2 collects today and if I hadn't have cashed out on one of them I would have had a very very good day. 

No regrets though as I worked out a way to do it all in the future (see post above) But that's my way ... each individual can do as he or she sees fit.

Obviously we're all going to see 1 best bet as the week goes on but in the end I could see 3 or 4 because of your suggestions and D77's suggestions. 

Maybe we could all put our 1 best bet out there and then another one after everyone has had their go ... the decent fixed odds need to be snapped up early though by the looks of it.  Just about everything we liked shortened from Friday evening onwards (re fixed odds)

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

11 minutes ago, Macca said:

It's early doors Wadda ... we'll get ourselves organised over time.  No rush. 

I've seen enough today to see us getting some decent collects.  I got 2 collects today and if I hadn't have cashed out on one of them I would have had a very very good day. 

No regrets though as I worked out a way to do it all in the future (see post above) But that's my way ... each individual can do as he or she sees fit.

Obviously we're all going to see 1 best bet as the week goes on but in the end I could see 3 or 4 because of your suggestions and D77's suggestions. 

Maybe we could all put our 1 best bet out there and then another one after everyone has had their go ... the decent fixed odds need to be snapped up early though by the looks of it.  Just about everything we liked shortened from Friday evening onwards (re fixed odds)

Spot on Macca, early doors indeed.

Then there is also the betting plunges in the 5 mins before the race. Ive never really understood these and how they work? I guess some of it is late money by Whales waiting to see if everything is right with the horse. But other times it seems everyone gets wind of some thing, like the Expressway today. Global Glamour just went out the gate and ran accordingly. The winner had a lot of late money come for it.

Edited February 3, 2018 by Wadda We Sing

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

5 minutes ago, Macca said:

It's early doors Wadda ... we'll get ourselves organised over time.  No rush. 

I've seen enough today to see us getting some decent collects.  I got 2 collects today and if I hadn't have cashed out on one of them I would have had a very very good day. 

No regrets though as I worked out a way to do it all in the future (see post above) But that's my way ... each individual can do as he or she sees fit.

Obviously we're all going to see 1 best bet as the week goes on but in the end I could see 3 or 4 because of your suggestions and D77's suggestions. 

Maybe we could all put our 1 best bet out there and then another one after everyone has had their go ... the decent fixed odds need to be snapped up early though by the looks of it.  Just about everything we liked shortened from Friday evening onwards (re fixed odds)

I wanted to go to the Tab and check the cash out prior to the Dainty Tess race for my multi,  I had a couple of drinks and thought better of it.

The four horses you listed for Rosehill Macca, I put that on at $126 on the Thursday night. Kopi Luwak scratched so it only ended up a 3 leg multi and From Within was the only failure.

My two multis missed by a leg each. It was only our first week trying this and we have better knowledge of some horses for future runs.

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

9 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

I wanted to go to the Tab and check the cash out prior to the Dainty Tess race for my multi,  I had a couple of drinks and thought better of it.

The four horses you listed for Rosehill Macca, I put that on at $126 on the Thursday night. Kopi Luwak scratched so it only ended up a 3 leg multi and From Within was the only failure.

My two multis missed by a leg each. It was only our first week trying this and we have better knowledge of some horses for future runs.

So if there is a scratching in the multi, does it just miss that leg and carry over?

[Macca 16,900]

Just now, Wadda We Sing said:

Spot on Macca. Then there is also the betting plunges in the 5 mins before the race. Ive never really understood these and how they work? I guess some of it is late money by Whales waiting to see if everything is right with the horse. But other times it seems everyone gets wind of some thing, like the Expressway today. Global Glamour just went out the gate and ran accordingly. The winner had a lot of late money come for it.

I've always thought that there is a lot of 'knowledge' about that us mug punters never hear about.  There is no sure-fire system but I like to eliminate a lot of the doubt involved.  The less doubt the better. 

2 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

I wanted to go to the Tab and check the cash out prior to the Dainty Tess race for my multi,  I had a couple of drinks and thought better of it.

The four horses you listed for Rosehill Macca, I put that on at $126 on the Thursday night. Kopi Luwak scratched so it only ended up a 3 leg multi and From Within was the only failure.

My two multis missed by a leg each. It was only our first week trying this and we have better knowledge of some horses for future runs.

And that's why I'm going to do 3 doubles within a 3 pick multi ... each way is probably not the way to go because of the negligible odds we're going to get for the place for any of these best bets. 

Same for a 4 leg multi (4 trio's within that 4 pick) ... again,  that's my way as I can't see any of us finding a best bet that is good each way value.  Unless we do of course and then the place dividend does comes into it. 

That way you don't have to worry too much about cashing out as you've already picked up at least 1 'Double' within a 3 pick multi.  Or a trio in a 4 pick multi. 

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

10 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

So if there is a scratching in the multi, does it just miss that leg and carry over?

That leg is completely taken out (odds for the scratched horse deducted) instead of having odds of $126 for the four legs, i now have the combined odds for the remaining 3 runners.

Edited February 3, 2018 by Demon77

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

1 minute ago, Demon77 said:

That leg is completely taken out (odds for the scratched horse deducted) instead of having odds for $126 for the four legs, i now have the combined odds for the remaining 3 runners.

Really...oh thats good, because i always thought if you had put on an early multi and there was a scratching, the multi didnt pay out.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

6 minutes ago, Macca said:

I've always thought that there is a lot of 'knowledge' about that us mug punters never hear about.  There is no sure-fire system but I like to eliminate a lot of the doubt involved.  The less doubt the better. 

And that's why I'm going to do 3 doubles within a 3 pick multi ... each way is probably not the way to go because of the negligible odds we're going to get for the place for any of these best bets. 

Same for a 4 leg multi (4 trio's within that 4 pick) ... again,  that's my way as I can't see any of us finding a best bet that is good each way value.  Unless we do of course and then the place dividend does comes into it. 

That way you don't have to worry too much about cashing out as you've already picked up at least 1 'Double' within a 3 pick multi.  Or a trio in a 4 pick multi. 

Spot on Macca, I thought about that after having trouble mucking around with the Tab app for each way multis. I couldn't find a way to do them on fixed odds.

[Macca 16,900]

7 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

So if there is a scratching in the multi, does it just miss that leg and carry over?

Yeah it does ... there are no substitutes. 

I also reckon by going away from the Melbourne races (when it suits) give us a better chance of winning.  For instance,  my 3 favourite courses to have a bet are Rosehill,  Randwick & Flemington. 

And I probably prefer Ascot to Caulfield ... Moonee Valley has returned mixed results.  Of course I do love all the big Group races from anywhere. 

But I can see myself finding those best bets from outside of the big Group races.  Trifecta's preferred in the big races (mainly because of the depth of winning chances)

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

11 minutes ago, Macca said:

I've always thought that there is a lot of 'knowledge' about that us mug punters never hear about.  There is no sure-fire system but I like to eliminate a lot of the doubt involved.  The less doubt the better. 

 

I know 1 big punter, no names and its for racing overseas, where he owns some horses in Singapore. He actually rings the barrier attendant to get the last word on the horse as its going into the gate, before placing his bet.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

5 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

Really...oh thats good, because i always thought if you had put on an early multi and there was a scratching, the multi didnt pay out.

I placed the multi with Neds, thats how they work. Maybe you're right in regards to the Tab, I'm not sure how the Tab works

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

1 minute ago, Demon77 said:

I placed the multi with Neds, thats how they work. Maybe you're right in regards to the Tab, I'm not sure how the Tab works

Ak ok, yes sorry, i was meaning the TAB.

[Dee Zephyr 19,267]

By the way, we have ignited this thread, it's listed as "Hot" in the topic listing. Awesome work fellas.

[Macca 16,900]

7 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

By the way, we have ignited this thread, it's listed as "Hot" in the topic listing. Awesome work fellas.

Saturday's are going to be busy on this thread by the looks of it ... and the Autumn carnival hasn't even kicked off yet! 

And believe it or not,  I'm really looking forward to the European season (early May through to our Spring) All the big races (2 or 3 every weekend) are posted up on youtube hours later (the quality of the uploads are often first rate too)

I'll be in trifecta heaven when those races come around!

Edited February 3, 2018 by Macca

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

21 minutes ago, Demon77 said:

By the way, we have ignited this thread, it's listed as "Hot" in the topic listing. Awesome work fellas.

Really wow...haha good work! Yes well footy is pretty boring this time of year, so good on us.

So now im still not 100% sure. If i place a 4 leg multi on the TAB on say Thursday and come Saturday 1 leg is scratched, does that ticket pay out?

[Macca 16,900]

23 minutes ago, Wadda We Sing said:

I know 1 big punter, no names and its for racing overseas, where he owns some horses in Singapore. He actually rings the barrier attendant to get the last word on the horse as its going into the gate, before placing his bet.

Ha ha!

I'm often suspicious when a trainer has multiple horses in a race (especially the Group races)  The Hayes clan often produces a lightweight winner from nowhere.  And that's been going on for decades. 

And would you ever trust a jockey?  Punters have a love/hate relationship with nearly all the successful ones. 

It's all good fun though as long as one bets smart and never to excess.  We're all looking for the big payout and why not? 

[Wadda We Sing 10,685]

5 minutes ago, Macca said:

Ha ha!

I'm often suspicious when a trainer has multiple horses in a race (especially the Group races)  The Hayes clan often produces a lightweight winner from nowhere.  And that's been going on for decades. 

And would you ever trust a jockey?  Punters have a love/hate relationship with nearly all the successful ones. 

It's all good fun though as long as one bets smart and never to excess.  We're all looking for the big payout and why not? 

Well i do know that 1 particular Jockeys nickname was Danny the Brakeman....you can probably work out who that was.