Agree,Viney is vastly overrated. What has he actually ever done?

dear lord.......

Viney's biggest challenge isn't the odd skill error, it's becoming an elite runner. Roos, Lyon, Longmire, Hinkley... all of their game-plan's revolve around being elite two-way runners. He still has a long way to go, but he improved his running markedly over summer.

I reckon he gets a bit of a bum wrap from some supporters. Saturday was his first hit out for the season and he'll only improve. Dan Hannebery didn't take the next step until he'd played 50 games and entered his 4th year. Viney has played 33 coming into his third. Hannebery is an elite runner, which is Viney's challenge. Unlike Viney, running has always been Hannebery's strength.

I reckon he'll have a very good year. Importantly, teammates love playing beside a player like Viney. There's no-one better to run out with than someone who'd kill their Grandmother to get to the footy.

I agree but disagree.

He is too small, lacks skills and speed - so he cannot play forward (except defensive forward and not even then). He can't play back. He's got to make it mid.

That said, he loses his feet too easily, his skills lack polish and he is not big bodied. Unless he proves remarkable at finding the footy and feeding runners, I struggle to see that he'll get game time by the end of 2016. Brayshaw at least will have gone past him.

Just wait until everyone figures out that we picked up him instead of Wines, not Jimmy T. Then you realise that we'd picked Viney hoping that the Hogan/Toumpas options would see us ahead in the long run.

Viney making it is a bonus feature. That draft IMO is all about Hogan and Jimmy T.

I agree but disagree.

He is too small, lacks skills and speed - so he cannot play forward (except defensive forward and not even then). He can't play back. He's got to make it mid.

That said, he loses his feet too easily, his skills lack polish and he is not big bodied. Unless he proves remarkable at finding the footy and feeding runners, I struggle to see that he'll get game time by the end of 2016. Brayshaw at least will have gone past him.

Just wait until everyone figures out that we picked up him instead of Wines, not Jimmy T. Then you realise that we'd picked Viney hoping that the Hogan/Toumpas options would see us ahead in the long run.

Viney making it is a bonus feature. That draft IMO is all about Hogan and Jimmy T.

Despite his indifferent 2014 I watched a number of last year's games on Foxtel (you know, the few we won plus the two Port games) and I was struck by how good Viney was in most of them. His skills over 35 metres are usually precise and I can't agree with you regarding his speed. While not express, it's above average. Is his body too small ? I wouldn't have thought so.

As you say, we'll agree to disagree, but I reckon his doubters should perhaps keep an open mind and at least see how 2015 unfolds.

Agree,Viney is vastly overrated. What has he actually ever done?

Jack Viney........20 years old

33games.......8 goals

2014

20 games......5 goals

Average disposals 18(approx.) per game

4th for handballs

3rd for hardball gets

I agree but disagree.

He is too small, lacks skills and speed - so he cannot play forward (except defensive forward and not even then). He can't play back. He's got to make it mid.

That said, he loses his feet too easily, his skills lack polish and he is not big bodied. Unless he proves remarkable at finding the footy and feeding runners, I struggle to see that he'll get game time by the end of 2016. Brayshaw at least will have gone past him.

Just wait until everyone figures out that we picked up him instead of Wines, not Jimmy T. Then you realise that we'd picked Viney hoping that the Hogan/Toumpas options would see us ahead in the long run.

Viney making it is a bonus feature. That draft IMO is all about Hogan and Jimmy T.

On Viney, I agree that he needs to make it as a mid. Other comments a bit harsh particularly for a 20 year old. As mentioned on another thread, I see Viney very much in the mould of his old man. You know what you get. Its about attitude, effort and never say die. Would rather have a guy who may not have the silky skills but will play until he drops rather than the other way round.

Agree,Viney is vastly overrated. What has he actually ever done?

Opportunity missed, C & B. Should have gone with a different clip of John Cleese - from 'Life of Brian' where he's saying "What have the Romans ever done for us?"

Viney is the player I am least worried about.

I agree but disagree.

He is too small, lacks skills and speed - so he cannot play forward (except defensive forward and not even then). He can't play back. He's got to make it mid.

That said, he loses his feet too easily, his skills lack polish and he is not big bodied. Unless he proves remarkable at finding the footy and feeding runners, I struggle to see that he'll get game time by the end of 2016. Brayshaw at least will have gone past him.

Just wait until everyone figures out that we picked up him instead of Wines, not Jimmy T. Then you realise that we'd picked Viney hoping that the Hogan/Toumpas options would see us ahead in the long run.

Viney making it is a bonus feature. That draft IMO is all about Hogan and Jimmy T.

The bolded bits could just about be said of Joel Selwood.

Maybe Viney just needs to learn how to buckle at the knees and throw his arms up at the right time when tackled.

The bolded bits could just about be said of Joel Selwood.

Maybe Viney just needs to learn how to buckle at the knees and throw his arms up at the right time when tackled.

He WILL learn the difference between breaking through a tackle, dishing off without being tackled, and getting caught holding it - just like Nathan Jones did