The 2007-2013 era I interpret as history, perhaps everybody else should

a lot is learnt from history & helthy change can grow from its understanding. but using it 'as an attack clause' does no learning nor healing. neither does burying its knowledge.

a lot is learnt from history & helthy change can grow from its understanding. but using it 'as an attack clause' does no learning nor healing. neither does burying its knowledge.

......oh right so there is no more war or conflict because we have learnt it is a waste of time....

......and there is no more famine coz we learnt that we need to feed the world.....

...and etc etc.............................never mind footy

...please give me a break.....

So I think I got it.

Carroll was arrested by the Khmer Rouge and the CIA is planning an extraction?

Before sending in Brodie, in a cost cutting move the CIA have sent out trained Chapel Street chiropadist Benny Holland to look for Carroll's shoes. When he returns he will look at his bare feet for damage.It should noted however he is not,repeat not a trained dentist !

Never voted left in my life laddie. And never will.

Never said he wasn't forced. I really wouldn't know as the conversations with the 'vocal' vet never got that far. Unlike you I was happy to let it rest rather that accuse him of lying because I did 15 years as an air force clerk.

And you really have no idea about what you are talking about re: B52 raids. The last B52 raid into Cambodia was in 1973. The KM took control in 1975. The KM was toppled by the Vietnamese in 1979.

You're playing me on my home ground, and you're kicking into a gale. Are you sure you want to continue this game?

Hehe, nothing better than picking an argument with someone to find out there life has been dedicated to studying it.

Some people only want to see or hear, what they want to see or hear. Sometimes history hurts, and with enough study in any real area you discover information that makes you question everything. Would be very interesting to pick your brain on a topic I'm far too young to even understand.

......oh right so there is no more war or conflict because we have learnt it is a waste of time....

......and there is no more famine coz we learnt that we need to feed the world.....

...and etc etc.............................never mind footy

...please give me a break.....

No because the people collectively haven't learn't Yet..... as there has been no 'shift' in consciousness. to a more sharing nature. we in Australia had such a nature, at least as far as I'm aware, certainly in my time; I suspect since the team unity after the WW2. = egalitarianism, currently being eroded by the far end of Capitalism, the 'self end' of it, instead of the sharing ways of capitalism.

this imo is the result of competition gone too far, thru too much 'Self Orientation', independence. this is why i think we will lose this affluence soon.

and in that scenario, we will unify again, after much unrest.

So what else exactly did you want to know about Carroll? All the facts are here for you to read via the linked articles. You can ignore the rest of it's not to your taste, but given Carroll's background, I consider the discussion relevant and do not consider it a derailment of the thread.

Fair enough Nasher, you're the mod. I disagree, but that's ok. I find it hard on Demonland to 'ignore to my taste', because that often involves trawling through 5 or 6 pages or irrelevance to find something about the main topic.

A good example is the last two pages between your post and this one. Not a lot about the main topic in there...

Anyway, rant over.

Fair enough Nasher, you're the mod. I disagree, but that's ok. I find it hard on Demonland to 'ignore to my taste', because that often involves trawling through 5 or 6 pages or irrelevance to find something about the main topic.

A good example is the last two pages between your post and this one. Not a lot about the main topic in there...

Anyway, rant over.

It's December. I find the discussion interesting.

Military history written by who? Please I've lived the 50's onwards, I don't need to study it, and I have had many conversations with a myriad of participants as well, I don't need to go to university, a degree is not a piece of paper that states "you are right in everything", far from it

It doesn't mean that. Far from it. The more you study a subject the more you realise the less you know about - although you do understand that you know more about than most people. What that piece of paper means is that you have demonstrated that you can apply critical reasoning and research in trying to understand the subject. That gives you a much greater chance at arriving at the truth than someone that accepts half truths, BS and misunderstandings from beer or coffee chats.

* Myriad means 10,000. Have you really spoken to 10,000 participants that have knowledge of B-52 raids into Cambodia post 1975, or that can provide proof that those raids were the reason the Khmer Rouge were smashed by the Vietnamese?

Hehe, nothing better than picking an argument with someone to find out there life has been dedicated to studying it.

Some people only want to see or hear, what they want to see or hear. Sometimes history hurts, and with enough study in any real area you discover information that makes you question everything. Would be very interesting to pick your brain on a topic I'm far too young to even understand.

History is the autobiography of a madman - Alexander Herzen.

The more I read the less I like the human race, but then I remind myself that the good parts of humanity never make it into the history books.