Realistically where I see the playing list

[Outside fifty 967]

I think we have to make 5 selections at draft time so the Min. is then 5.

hope that is correct.

Couch and Magnar are rookies so they don't count.

Therefore if we delete Jetta, Tynan, Davey, J Mac that leaves one more.

Please tell me that you don,t want to keep Gillies.

That would make your five and keep Davis.

I have a feeling the number will be a couple more.

Rest assured OD I don't want Gillies either, just slipped under the Radar. There is an argument to add a couple more to that list like Seller and Byrne. In fact i'd probably keep Davis at the expense of Seller.

[LegsLeoncelli 162]

I've been thinking about the ruck situation for a while now and wouldn't be surprised to see Spencer moved on, for the right price of course, at the end of the year.

As much as we all bemoan Jamar's inability to have an impact in general play, he will be important back-up for when Gawn is injured, and is contracted for two more years. This is obviously reliant on the new coach seeing Jamar's contract out.

If both these two are unavailable, Fitzpatrick comes into the team and shares ruck duties with Clark. Fitzpatrick will also play if one of Clark, Dawes or Hogan is unavailable. He will be playing for Casey otherwise, not running around on the wing.

Gillies goes, Pedersen stays (again based on his contract), the fate of Davis and Sellar will be decided on the balance of the list.

[Axis of Bob 11,852]

There isn't enough love for McKenzie on this thread. I also think that's the case across the whole site.

We missed Jordie so much last round against Sydney. He is a big bodied player who works really hard and is a very, very good stoppage player. He's been playing as a tagger the last 18 months, but has previously done very well for us in the clearances.

If he was playing for another club he would be exactly the sort of player we should be targeting. A player who has some flaws that make him unfashionable (one paced, average kick) and easy to write off, but with outstanding attributes that could be maximised if you give him the right role. Jordie is a top endurance runner, has super clean hands, a really strong body, reads the stoppages well and is a great tackler.

While his kicking means he isn't first picked as a wingman, his strength and stoppage work (offensively and defensively) means that he has a skills that could work really well for us as a specialist defensive stoppage midfielder (a la Luke Ball). He'll accumulate too with his work rate. We're getting some quality outside runners now, so we just need to win the ball inside to get it to them.

And he has form in this role. In 2011, where we played a more open brand of game, he missed the first 8 rounds and then came in and averaged 20 disposals a game (over 10 contested), nearly 7 tackles a game and 4.5 clearances a game. He also had two 3 vote games in wins against Essendon and Freo. He then became a specialist tagger and has not had the same impact.

He's a good player who I think is being underutilised as a tagger.

[old dee 23,872]

There isn't enough love for McKenzie on this thread. I also think that's the case across the whole site.

We missed Jordie so much last round against Sydney. He is a big bodied player who works really hard and is a very, very good stoppage player. He's been playing as a tagger the last 18 months, but has previously done very well for us in the clearances.

If he was playing for another club he would be exactly the sort of player we should be targeting. A player who has some flaws that make him unfashionable (one paced, average kick) and easy to write off, but with outstanding attributes that could be maximised if you give him the right role. Jordie is a top endurance runner, has super clean hands, a really strong body, reads the stoppages well and is a great tackler.

While his kicking means he isn't first picked as a wingman, his strength and stoppage work (offensively and defensively) means that he has a skills that could work really well for us as a specialist defensive stoppage midfielder (a la Luke Ball). He'll accumulate too with his work rate. We're getting some quality outside runners now, so we just need to win the ball inside to get it to them.

And he has form in this role. In 2011, where we played a more open brand of game, he missed the first 8 rounds and then came in and averaged 20 disposals a game (over 10 contested), nearly 7 tackles a game and 4.5 clearances a game. He also had two 3 vote games in wins against Essendon and Freo. He then became a specialist tagger and has not had the same impact.

He's a good player who I think is being underutilised as a tagger.

Do you have the statts for the number of times he turns over the ball and how many end up as goals for the other side?

The guy is a hard trier with poor disposal.

[Axis of Bob 11,852]

He averages 2.5 clangers per game this year. Nathan Jones averages 2.4, Trengove 2.6, Terlich 3.0, Viney 2.8, Tom McDonald 2.1.

His stats are fine because he actually uses the ball exceptionally well by hand, he's just an ordinary field kick in space. But that's not a killer for a stoppage midfielder, where his other positive attributes are far more important. Especially when you lose the clearances 25-45.

[Fat Tony 5,267]

There isn't enough love for McKenzie on this thread. I also think that's the case across the whole site.

We missed Jordie so much last round against Sydney. He is a big bodied player who works really hard and is a very, very good stoppage player. He's been playing as a tagger the last 18 months, but has previously done very well for us in the clearances.

If he was playing for another club he would be exactly the sort of player we should be targeting. A player who has some flaws that make him unfashionable (one paced, average kick) and easy to write off, but with outstanding attributes that could be maximised if you give him the right role. Jordie is a top endurance runner, has super clean hands, a really strong body, reads the stoppages well and is a great tackler.

While his kicking means he isn't first picked as a wingman, his strength and stoppage work (offensively and defensively) means that he has a skills that could work really well for us as a specialist defensive stoppage midfielder (a la Luke Ball). He'll accumulate too with his work rate. We're getting some quality outside runners now, so we just need to win the ball inside to get it to them.

And he has form in this role. In 2011, where we played a more open brand of game, he missed the first 8 rounds and then came in and averaged 20 disposals a game (over 10 contested), nearly 7 tackles a game and 4.5 clearances a game. He also had two 3 vote games in wins against Essendon and Freo. He then became a specialist tagger and has not had the same impact.

He's a good player who I think is being underutilised as a tagger.

I wouldn’t call Jordie McKenzie a ‘big bodied mid’ given he weights only 82kg. While McKenzie’s inside work/hands are ok and his tackling and discipline are excellent, I doubt he is dynamic enough to play a more attacking role at AFL level. This is because his kicking is poor and due to his lack of dare – both in terms of playing on (i.e. taking the space in front of him) and in terms of too often taking the easy option with respect to decision making.

Even though not his strength, I think McKenzie needs to play with more confidence when he has the ball in hand, playing a bit more like Blease and Nicholson and trying to foot pass more to the open man (even if the free player is in the corridor).

Edited July 11, 2013 by Fat Tony

[Ted Lasso 19,549]

Where is the list at?

we have what i would consider as the young talent that could ( provided they all stay fit and on the park ) could make up the best forward and backlines in the comp in a couple of years

we probably need to recruit one or two A grade midfielders, other than that we have a really good young core group of mids that really just need some time

[praha 11,240]

LOL @ "Hogan - sign for 8 years"

That I can agree with.