Queens Birthday Clash

[dee-luded 2,959]

Then think BIG rp.

Stop down sizing.

I repeat we are the name of the City. Use it

Playing AFL Games of any sort at Casey fields is Bullsh!t

WYL, the 'G' as it is is killing us... its a part of the reason have ended up with generations of ordinary boards since the world changed around the 60's as you say.

We haven't had a training venue, or anywhere to develop our support base, not having a suburban ground & the established supporter momentum that grows from that.

A place where ordinary folk can start to feel involved & accepted at training days/nights, & wander in for a drink, or a bit of a bite.

Or to simply watch training on a wet day thru the windows.

IF we had of had this arrangement we would possibly have an enormous support base like the Pies & the Blues... we don't because we have not looked after that support base & the MCC has a lot to do with this.

As is IMO that a lot of our people who have wanted onto our boards in the past have maybe been the wrong types to run a Footy club...

we need Both a training Hub, inner Melbourne, & we need eventually to grow Casey into a Boutique stadium... the inner Melbourne training Hub for our list players to train in season, & Casey to play our home VFL games & the occasional AFL game against the likes of GWS.... but it isn't ready just yet, IMO.

But I think we should Aim to do both WYL, Hub & Casey boutique ground... but the Hub is critical or our inner suburban support base will wither further.

I get the feeling you just do Not want to visit the Casey ground, or even a Social Training Hub? only interested in things 'g', WYL ?

[dee-luded 2,959]

really...so you have given up to have you??

I will say it again...Do you wish to give Carlton our spot at the MCG??

Are you happy with that scenario...le's cut the semantics of personal bias

Pulling 80,000 crowds out of 100,000 is acceptable.

But you can nit pick if you must.

And let me add the pulling of 70-80,000 atendance back in the day has little to do with nostalgia.

It came about because Swooper Northey had a team that played hard competitive footy. They were a team to be feared.

Not like the over paid excuse of today. Half an hour and then breakdown totally. Strong culture attracts big crowds.

WYL do you realise why Carlton don't want a boutique stadium at E-gate, or at the Whitten Oval?

One thing would be, they could make money hiring out Prices Park for small attendence games, for doing nothing, whilst they play at the 'G'... while the doggies & north & maybe Us, suffer.

Prices Park WILL happen, if we all let it. IMO it should Not.

the Catters make a motza playing their chosen games down at the Kitty Tray, whether they be small attendance games, or difficult opponents... the cats would draw patrons from all over the Western part of the state... involving all those people with the Cats franchise.

the AFL need another boutique ground out Sth East, the opposite side of the Bay to Geelong, to service these types of games, & to service the East of the state... we do not have a strong hold on either Our areas, inner Melbourne, or the Casey area as Yet.

.... & I blame the Clubs ignoring of our grass roots supporters needs, in favour of the members of the north...

Once the old Olympic Stand was bulldozed, the supporters lost their last contact with the players via the Players Race, which was repositioned completely within the MCC exclusion zone...

the club has been dieing, but because of the MCC & the Boards, which mix & socialise & are influenced over there... no wonder our Boards of 40 years have failed us, & our young players keep failing to develop.... just as the club has failed to develop,, its all part & parcel of the same attitudes... the northern lights... I'll be right Jack.

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Edited June 12, 2013 by dee-luded

[Sir Why You Little 37,133]

WYL, the 'G' as it is is killing us... its a part of the reason have ended up with generations of ordinary boards since the world changed around the 60's as you say.

We haven't had a training venue, or anywhere to develop our support base, not having a suburban ground & the established supporter momentum that grows from that.

A place where ordinary folk can start to feel involved & accepted at training days/nights, & wander in for a drink, or a bit of a bite.

Or to simply watch training on a wet day thru the windows.

IF we had of had this arrangement we would possibly have an enormous support base like the Pies & the Blues... we don't because we have not looked after that support base & the MCC has a lot to do with this.

As is IMO that a lot of our people who have wanted onto our boards in the past have maybe been the wrong types to run a Footy club...

we need Both a training Hub, inner Melbourne, & we need eventually to grow Casey into a Boutique stadium... the inner Melbourne training Hub for our list players to train in season, & Casey to play our home VFL games & the occasional AFL game against the likes of GWS.... but it isn't ready just yet, IMO.

But I think we should Aim to do both WYL, Hub & Casey boutique ground... but the Hub is critical or our inner suburban support base will wither further.

I get the feeling you just do Not want to visit the Casey ground, or even a Social Training Hub? only interested in things 'g', WYL ?

of course i do not wish to go to Casey Fields to watch an AFL Game. It is a TRAINING FACILITY.

I want the MFC to learn very quickly how to sell itself in the corporate world.

Something we have never done properly.

Interesting to note Ch 7's first year of TV Video replays (as opposed to 16mm news reels) was in 1965.

We have never been in the hunt since then except for the Northey years.

This is the point JGK is alluding to.

The club needs a complete revamp.

It can succeed, but if we relinquish the G we will forever be an outsider.

[dee-luded 2,959]

of course i do not wish to go to Casey Fields to watch an AFL Game. It is a TRAINING FACILITY.

I want the MFC to learn very quickly how to sell itself in the corporate world.

Something we have never done properly.

Interesting to note Ch 7's first year of TV Video replays (as opposed to 16mm news reels) was in 1965.

We have never been in the hunt since then except for the Northey years.

This is the point JGK is alluding to.

The club needs a complete revamp.

It can succeed, but if we relinquish the G we will forever be an outsider.

your wishful thinking clouds your judgement.

* & the Northey years were a direct result of the hard work changing the horrible culture & the list, by Barassi & Jordan.... but don't let facts cloud your fantasies WYL.

cam schwab had an influence on that era & success, as well.

# no one is saying relinquish the 'G'... but some are saying we need to diversify... we need more than the one failing Iron, in the fires of Hell...

We would be better having all our facilities in the Southern Stand, than what weve currently got... at least the supporters (all supporters & members) would be able to feel involved with the club.

Edited June 12, 2013 by dee-luded

[Sir Why You Little 37,133]

your wishful thinking clouds your judgement.

* & the Northey years were a direct result of the hard work changing the horrible culture & the list, by Barassi & Jordan.... but don't let facts cloud your fantasies WYL.

cam schwab had an influence on that era & success, as well.

Northey got us into 5 consecutive final series. I am well aware what Barass and Slug did.

No fantasy there whatsoever.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Northey got us into 5 consecutive final series. I am well aware what Barass and Slug did.

No fantasy there whatsoever.

I don't think you do know at all what they did.. you only say things but you don't display any knowledge of what they did.

tell us what it is you think they did?

[Return to Glory 8,448]

Correct. I expect value for money. With the right people in charge i will get it.

The Ox is right. The MFC does not need band aids. It needs serious surgery.

Teams win and they lose. Sometimes they lose badly over lengthy periods of time. This occurs in sport....all over the world (except in Canberra apparently) As fans we go for the ride. If you do not like it then you are a spectator and not a fan. If you never go to games because of ' a lack of value for money' that falls under the spectator realm IMO. Sorry, but your value for money comment grates a little. Edited June 12, 2013 by Return to Glory

[Sir Why You Little 37,133]

Teams win and they lose. Sometimes they lose badly over lengthy periods of time. This occurs in sport....all over the world (except in Canberra apparently) As fans we go for the ride. If you do not like it then you are a spectator and not a fan. If you never go to games because of ' a lack of value for money' that falls under the spectator realm IMO. Sorry, but your value for money comment grates a little.

i am a full MFC/MCC Member for many years. I have given close to $7,000 since 2008.

Has anything changed since Round 2 against Essendon?

Infact has anything improved since Round 1 2012?

I have saved about $500 in transport costs since Round 2.

I am in agreement with the Ox.

If that bothers you it is not my concern. At present the MFC is not a team.

When they decide to become a team i will be there. No point going to the footy to sit in silence.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,303]

Geelong make $700k from 28k down at Skilled - you follow me?

For us to make that sort of money at the G we would have to get 80k down to a game - you still there?

How, in the name of all that is unholy, are we supposed to get 80k to a game against anyone other than the big Melbourne clubs?

You think I am thinking small - I am thinking so large you can't see my thinking.

Your thinking is revolving around my thinking.

So play at Geelong. The stadiums already there, do you propose MFC spend the $100M it will take to build an AFL ready stadium at Casey? It's a pipe dream hardly worth discussing let alone getting all riled up about.

[Return to Glory 8,448]

i am a full MFC/MCC Member for many years. I have given close to $7,000 since 2008.

Has anything changed since Round 2 against Essendon?

Infact has anything improved since Round 1 2012?

I have saved about $500 in transport costs since Round 2.

I am in agreement with the Ox.

If that bothers you it is not my concern. At present the MFC is not a team.

When they decide to become a team i will be there. No point going to the footy to sit in silence.

As am I wyl but unlike you, I'm not taking my bat and ball and going home. To appreciate the highs you've surely got to experience the lows. 2008...big deal. That's a very small amount of time to be sooking about.

[Sir Why You Little 37,133]

As am I wyl but unlike you, I'm not taking my bat and ball and going home. To appreciate the highs you've surely got to experience the lows. 2008...big deal. That's a very small amount of time to be sooking about.

i have seen many lows since 1971 my friend. I have donated exra $$ since Jimma walked in.

All i ask is for change. NOT Blind Faith.

There is a large difference.

[Return to Glory 8,448]

I went on Monday and it was another very poor performance. And I will go to whatever poor performance I can. Perhaps it's a mindset thing.

[dee-luded 2,959]

When they decide to become a team i will be there. No point going to the footy to sit in silence.

still waiting WYL, re Barassi & Jordan... what is it you think they did for us?

[Return to Glory 8,448]

I'm not attempting to be a smart Alec here wyl. I just think your frustration has knocked you out of kilter. The equivalent of a pinball machine tilt.

[Dr. Gonzo 24,303]

WYL, the 'G' as it is is killing us... its a part of the reason have ended up with generations of ordinary boards since the world changed around the 60's as you say.

We haven't had a training venue, or anywhere to develop our support base, not having a suburban ground & the established supporter momentum that grows from that.

A place where ordinary folk can start to feel involved & accepted at training days/nights, & wander in for a drink, or a bit of a bite.

Or to simply watch training on a wet day thru the windows.

IF we had of had this arrangement we would possibly have an enormous support base like the Pies & the Blues... we don't because we have not looked after that support base & the MCC has a lot to do with this.

As is IMO that a lot of our people who have wanted onto our boards in the past have maybe been the wrong types to run a Footy club...

we need Both a training Hub, inner Melbourne, & we need eventually to grow Casey into a Boutique stadium... the inner Melbourne training Hub for our list players to train in season, & Casey to play our home VFL games & the occasional AFL game against the likes of GWS.... but it isn't ready just yet, IMO.

But I think we should Aim to do both WYL, Hub & Casey boutique ground... but the Hub is critical or our inner suburban support base will wither further.

I get the feeling you just do Not want to visit the Casey ground, or even a Social Training Hub? only interested in things 'g', WYL ?

Those days are gone mate, it's not suburban footy anymore all AFL "clubs" are just competing franchises, some with a longer and more decorated history/foundation than others. Spending millions to get a training base so a few hundred supporters can have a beer and a pie on a Thursday night would be just flushing money down the toilet.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Those days are gone mate, it's not suburban footy anymore all AFL "clubs" are just competing franchises, some with a longer and more decorated history/foundation than others. Spending millions to get a training base so a few hundred supporters can have a beer and a pie on a Thursday night would be just flushing money down the toilet.

not at all, we have a training ground next to the BubbleDome... all we need is to build with assistance,,, our Offices watching over the training ground, with a cafe on ground floor, & an upstairs area with offices, lounge/small function area, etc.. that would start it off.

and other clubs are returning to rejigging their original grounds where they can... the Tigers will have a fantastic arrangement. the pies, outstanding facilities...

the bombers wanted to but couldn't get the desired room to grow so are relocating. all these power clubs recognise the value & need of their grass roots supporters.

... the MCC has caused MFC to be all tip, & No Iceberg.

[Macca 17,034]

We can't be making much money out of any of our fixtures against GWS, GCS, Freo, Port, Crows or the Eagles. We've got 7 home fixtures against interstate sides this year including a Darwin game against Brisbane. The Crows are the only interstate team we don't play at home this season. We could probably expect more of the same in the coming years if we don't march up the ladder. A legacy of CH7 wanting more and more 'high rating' games is that the low drawing teams will play each other more often. It's already happening.

Just checking the crowd numbers at 'AFL Tables' confirms that whenever we play an interstate team, we don't often reach the standard 23,000 to 27,000* break even mark. And that break even mark is for the MCC/MCG Trust. Although we do have some sort of 'other' deal with the MCC, I'm not sure if that's dependant on our team playing a minimum amount of home games at the MCG.

We've been known to pull decent crowds against Sydney and Brisbane but against the other 6 interstate sides we continually struggle to reach the break even mark. Most of the time we're nowhere near it. When we've been travelling well, our crowd numbers against Freo, Port, the Eagles and Crows haven't been great.

So what's the answer? Do a deal with the interstate team we're playing? (like the Brisbane deal) Princes Park would be a real option if it is brought up to AFL standard. And then there's Cairns, Canberra and Darwin.

We've heard that Jackson is projecting a loss of between 2.5 and 3 million this season. The media are forecasting another substantial loss next year (which the club didn't deny) If we're going to be fixtured 5 - 7 home games against interstate teams on a regular basis, then the club needs to find a way to make decent money out of these games. We were drawn to play 7 home games against interstate teams in 2011 and we had another 6 home games against interstate teams in 2012.

*Figures need confirmation.

Edited June 12, 2013 by Macca

[Carrot Top 947]

We have tip?

[Sir Why You Little 37,133]

still waiting WYL, re Barassi & Jordan... what is it you think they did for us?

they set up a good culture that Swooper added to and used beautifully.

[dee-luded 2,959]

We can't be making any money out of any of our fixtures against GWS, GCS, Freo, Port, Crows or the Eagles. We've got 7 home fixtures against interstate sides this year including a Darwin game against Brisbane. The Crows are the only interstate team we don't play at home this season. We could probably expect more of the same in the coming years if we don't march up the ladder. A legacy of CH7 wanting more and more 'high rating' games is that the low drawing teams will play each other more often. It's already happening.

Just checking the crowd numbers at 'AFL Tables' confirms that whenever we play an interstate team, we barely ever reach the standard 23,000 to 27,000* break even mark. And that break even mark is for the MCC/MCG Trust. For our team we probably walk away with very little to show for it (which effectively means we're losing lots of money) Although we do have some sort of 'other' deal with the MCC, I'm not sure if that's dependant on our team playing a minimum amount of home games at the MCG.

We've been known to pull decent crowds against Sydney and Brisbane but against the other 6 interstate sides we continually struggle to reach the break even mark. Most of the time we're nowhere near it.

So what's the answer? Sell these games off to the highest bidder? Do a deal with the interstate team we're playing? (like the Brisbane deal) Dr Gonzo's idea of playing games at Geelong has merit. Princess Park would be another option if it is brought up to AFL standard. And then there's Cairns, Canberra and Darwin.

We've heard that Jackson is projecting a loss of between 2.5 and 3 million this season. The media are forecasting another substantial loss next year (which the club didn't deny) If we're going to be fixtured 5 - 7 home games against interstate teams on a regular basis, then the club needs to find a way to make money out of these games.

*Figures need confirmation.

the success of the cats down at Kardinia Park shows what is possible.. the demise of the waverly ground sounded the changes @ the MCG re the Northern Stand etc.

We can with the right leadership,, & government support down the track, start to build that Boutique stadium out at Casey Fields, & we too can prosper from the demise of Waverly, out East...

[Sir Why You Little 37,133]

I'm not attempting to be a smart Alec here wyl. I just think your frustration has knocked you out of kilter. The equivalent of a pinball machine tilt.

Glory, last year there was a thread on here called "Tipping Point"

Round 2 this year i hit mine. I don't like what i see on the field. tbh i haven't liked much since 186. The club is not running properly at all levels.

We are not competitive anywhere.

I am still a member and if we get a new Board and an experienced coach i will happily buy 2 full memberships.

I do not trust the present regime with anymore cash.

They have no idea how to use it.

[dee-luded 2,959]

they set up a good culture that Swooper added to and used beautifully.

& the list???

your avatar picture of a young Barassi before he left, I think shows your attitude to him.

& I don't think you realise the work & effort, in changing the club back into a healthy one that was ready for finals footy.

[Macca 17,034]

the success of the cats down at Kardinia Park shows what is possible.. the demise of the waverly ground sounded the changes @ the MCG re the Northern Stand etc.

We can with the right leadership,, & government support down the track, start to build that Boutique stadium out at Casey Fields, & we too can prosper from the demise of Waverly, out East...

The easiest fix is to refurbish Princes Park. Build a decent sized carpark or fix up the existing car parking arrangements. Forget about how non Carlton games were played there in the past. A new deal involving all the relevent parties could be arranged. Open the ground up for all the low drawing fixtures and make sure all the participating home teams all make good cash out of it.

Kardinia Park has merit too. Geelong will want more games down there to help pay off the cost of the new stands. As it is, the ground is only used 6 or 7 times a year. Might be a much better fit for North or the Bulldogs and if the Cats were confident about making 500-600k out of these type of games, then offers may be made.

Edited June 12, 2013 by Macca

[Sir Why You Little 37,133]

& the list???

your avatar picture of a young Barassi before he left, I think shows your attitude to him.

& I don't think you realise the work & effort, in changing the club back into a healthy one that was ready for finals footy.

we won the U19's DL. i do know what they did.

But do not underestimate Swooper either. He was a T Shirt Tom student.

[dee-luded 2,959]

Glory, last year there was a thread on here called "Tipping Point"

Round 2 this year i hit mine. I don't like what i see on the field. tbh i haven't liked much since 186. The club is not running properly at all levels.

We are not competitive anywhere.

I am still a member and if we get a new Board and an experienced coach i will happily buy 2 full memberships.

I do not trust the present regime with anymore cash.

They have no idea how to use it.

.. actually they do, they started last year repairing the recent damage thats been done to the club over the last 10 years.

even if you don't like it WYL. they are on the right track. so keep your money & your hands in your pocket, & let the people who know footy, fix it.

you don't even recognise when the hard work has begun, stripping back the rot. so stepping backwards to fix things is too much for you... sorry mate but one day you'll catch on.

the AFL are now onboard & with PJ & other profiled MFC supporters coming in to help, we need some positivity going forward, & less bleating from those with their tails pointing into the wind.