On 09/04/2013 at 02:04, timmyo64 said:

ok so we had done alright at the time but the bucks don't stop there WE FAIL TO DEVELOP ANYONE. Had they gone any where else there is a strong chance they would of succeeded it can no longer be just chance that we keep drafting crap guys while every club succeeds and develops stars. oh and as for hindsight.. well that just can't even be applied to the mfc any more, you know before its happened that their career is over.

Yes, [censored] does happen here and there but should not happen every year, we have had 15 first round picks since 2003, you must love s$#t! Maybe you should have a drink ("alcohol brings out the truth") but i hope you come to a realisation before it gets to that.

Do not tell me to walk away from the club that i have defended right to the bone for 20 years through thhick and thin because i have now come to terms with how much of a basket case we are. I will keep defending it but I will no longer come up with excuses when there are none. I support the club and want what is best for it and the past 6 years have led me and the rest of AFL fraternity to believe that many of the people in the club are not up for the job.

How do you know they would have developed, Maric went to Richmond they didn't keep him, nobody wanted Cook, Morton was traded but can't get a game with West Coast after a full preseason......what is a star.......Neeld is trying to develop but the "supporters" don't want to give him a chance.......the Club has made mistakes but that is history, repeat history, supporting the Club is moving on.....when BP left I take it you put your app in for Recruiter...no, why not?........Carlton have had as many in the same period...how many premierships....even the God of coaches has them at 0 and 2........oh no not another fact.......don't need to drink

Since 2001, we have had the following top 20 picks;

9, 14, 15, 3 (Sylvia), 5, 13, 15 (Dunn), 12 (Jones), 12 (Frawley), 4, 14 (Grimes), 1 (Watts), 17 (Blease), 19 (Strauss), 1, 2 (Trengove), 11, 18 (Tapscott), 12, 12 (Clark), 3, 13, 20 (Hogan, Dawes, Barry), 4 (Toumpass).

That's 24 picks. 15 players are still on the list.

Good footballers

Jones, Frawley, Grimes, Clark

OK players/players with potential

Blease, Dawes, Trengove

Too early to tell

Hogan, Toumpass, Barry

Battlers

Dunn, Tapscott, Strauss, Watts, Sylvia

I make it 4 good AFL players, 3 with potential and 3 too early to tell from 24 top 20 picks. Two of those weren't even developed by us.

  On 09/04/2013 at 02:19, Satyriconhome said:

How do you know they would have developed, Maric went to Richmond they didn't keep him, nobody wanted Cook, Morton was traded but can't get a game with West Coast after a full preseason......what is a star.......Neeld is trying to develop but the "supporters" don't want to give him a chance.......the Club has made mistakes but that is history, repeat history, supporting the Club is moving on.....when BP left I take it you put your app in for Recruiter...no, why not?........Carlton have had as many in the same period...how many premierships....even the God of coaches has them at 0 and 2........oh no not another fact.......don't need to drink

of the 15 1st round picks where is the star? answer that.

  On 09/04/2013 at 02:19, Satyriconhome said:

How do you know they would have developed, Maric went to Richmond they didn't keep him, nobody wanted Cook, Morton was traded but can't get a game with West Coast after a full preseason......what is a star.......Neeld is trying to develop but the "supporters" don't want to give him a chance.......the Club has made mistakes but that is history, repeat history, supporting the Club is moving on.....when BP left I take it you put your app in for Recruiter...no, why not?........Carlton have had as many in the same period...how many premierships....even the God of coaches has them at 0 and 2........oh no not another fact.......don't need to drink

and i don't want neeld gone, i want him to have his chance. it's everyone else at the club who have overstayed their welcome. the ones that creates this shocking environment where kids can not become confident men.

  On 09/04/2013 at 01:32, Satyriconhome said:

Hindsight.....wonderful isn't it,......most of the picks were taken where the so called footy pundits said they would, so everybody was wrong....not just the Club...we have done a reasonable job of getting players down the order up and running......there is another team full of No 1 picks that at the moment is zip and 2, yes they have performed better but still have the same points as us, using your logic must be a valid point...or our you going to pee on that as well

Hindsight or not Satyriconhome our list is crap.

In the end the responsibility stops at the top.

It is Time

  On 09/04/2013 at 00:50, Crackers said:

I wonder if Darling would be good in our side or just useless like the rest of our blokes have been. No forwad thrives with the lack of oppurtunities our forwards have recieved this year.

Darling would have done absolutely nothing to improve our diabolically poor midfield. Well, probably not more than Clark and Dawes would be doing.

  On 09/04/2013 at 02:33, maurie said:

Darling would have done absolutely nothing to improve our diabolically poor midfield. Well, probably not more than Clark and Dawes would be doing.

He would have done way more that Cook

  On 09/04/2013 at 02:33, old dee said:

Hindsight or not Satyriconhome our list is crap.

In the end the responsibility stops at the top.

It is Time

Wonderfully thought out response Old Dee, took my points and explained why and how you don't agree with them, must have taken so much of your time, to go away and just come up with a Whitlamish slogan...wow....we are in trouble.........so the nominations for the Board are you, Rangey and WYL with Caroline Wilson as Communications Officer, am I reading this right?

  On 09/04/2013 at 02:50, Satyriconhome said:

Wonderfully thought out response Old Dee, took my points and explained why and how you don't agree with them, must have taken so much of your time, go away

I think we have flogged to death the examination of each player Satyriconhome.

The simple facts are IMO that we have a very ordinary list.

The Current management over a five period have bought us to this point.

Excuses were acceptable in 2007,8,9,10,11,12

It is now 2013 and we are far worse than in 2007.

Life can deal a s--- sandwich sometimes but in the end you have to pass the batten on to someone else.

IMO that should happen very soon.

Finally I am not going away because you don't agree with me. We have different opinions but surely we are allowed to belong to the same club.

Enjoy the day improvement will start soon

  On 09/04/2013 at 02:34, old dee said:

He would have done way more that Cook

When we recruited Cook, we didn't have Clark and Dawes.

  On 09/04/2013 at 02:33, old dee said:

In the end the responsibility stops at the top.

Neeld, Craig and Misson aren't responsible for the last decade of recruiting blunders.

  On 09/04/2013 at 03:03, old dee said:

I think we have flogged to death the examination of each player Satyriconhome.

The simple facts are IMO that we have a very ordinary list.

The Current management over a five period have bought us to this point.

Excuses were acceptable in 2007,8,9,10,11,12

It is now 2013 and we are far worse than in 2007.

Life can deal a s--- sandwich sometimes but in the end you have to pass the batten on to someone else.

IMO that should happen very soon.

Finally I am not going away because you don't agree with me. We have different opinions but surely we are allowed to belong to the same club.

Enjoy the day improvement will start soon

You don't have an opinion Old Dee, you just say everything is crap

  On 09/04/2013 at 01:18, Satan said:

, Not clear ,Not clubs fault he got injured twice, not in his pick . Still think he has potential but if he injured its a mute point.

It probably should be a Mute point unfortunately its only a moot point

  On 09/04/2013 at 01:32, Satyriconhome said:

Hindsight.....wonderful isn't it,......most of the picks were taken where the so called footy pundits said they would, so everybody was wrong....not just the Club...we have done a reasonable job of getting players down the order up and running......there is another team full of No 1 picks that at the moment is zip and 2, yes they have performed better but still have the same points as us, using your logic must be a valid point...or our you going to pee on that as well

It's not that we get it wrong all the time, it's just that the other sides get it right.

There are times when you have a choice out of 5, maybe 6 players and every time we did, the other sides got it right by picking who we left.

  On 09/04/2013 at 00:52, Watts Jurrah Dunn? said:

The recruiting has been PATHETIC.

Gysberts not the clubs fault!?!?! He was the epitomy of a wasted draft pick. A real Prendergast special. 'We felt like we needed some height in our midfield' so we took a 190cm twig that has no endurance or kicking skills with pick 11. Staggering.

For me, it was more about the sameness of it all. I'm assumimg there was a strategy, but from memory, it was Blease and Strauss in the same draft,likewise Jetta & Bennell, but not a key position in sight, at least with the early picks. I stand to be corrected, but I think all the draft tipsters had us taking Talia as the next best in his particular year, but we went for another midfielder in Gysberts ( only to trade him away for next to nothing . Stating the obvious but its just a very poor return.