Watching the VFL on abc and I noticed Jordan Gysberts playing for Werribee. I really don't think we will miss this bloke, his kicking is atrocious and lacks any presence at all and he is slow as a snail.

He reminds me a lot of Chris Heffernan ...

Watching the VFL on abc and I noticed Jordan Gysberts playing for Werribee. I really don't think we will miss this bloke, his kicking is atrocious and lacks any presence at all and he is slow as a snail.

He reminds me a lot of Chris Heffernan ...

Ugh ... In the same way that we're all waiting to see how our recruits go through the year so should you with Gysberts. The guy has loads of talent and it was a gamble of a trade which could go either way, but I wouldn't judge the success or failure of that gamble on a VFL practice match.

Has he bulked up? i don't think so. Maybe he just looks thin next to Majac Daw.

Ugh ... In the same way that we're all waiting to see how our recruits go through the year so should you with Gysberts. The guy has loads of talent and it was a gamble of a trade which could go either way, but I wouldn't judge the success or failure of that gamble on a VFL practice match.

Loads of talent?

Where, in his ego?

The guy was given ample opportunities, but he didn't want to hurt enough.

Great to hear the Brisbane midfield is being smashed up.

26 touches on debut against Geelong, 27 the following week, 2 Rising Star nominations. Enough to tell you he has talent?

Notice I didn't say it was a bad trade or that we should have kept him, but to say the trade of Gysberts for Pederson is a sure win for us is just plain dumb, especially given neither has played a game for their respective new teams.

26 touches on debut against Geelong, 27 the following week, 2 Rising Star nominations. Enough to tell you he has talent?

Notice I didn't say it was a bad trade or that we should have kept him, but to say the trade of Gysberts for Pederson is a sure win for us is just plain dumb, especially given neither has played a game for their respective new teams.

Talent means bugger all if you don't apply the discipline to it.

Sure he had 2 good games when nobody noticed him.

Talent means bugger all if you don't apply the discipline to it.

Sure he had 2 good games when nobody noticed him.

It means bugger all if you don't develop it either. I would have loved it if Neeld had given Gysberts a bit longer and cracked the whip on him to at least see what he could be. Pederson might end up being great for us, but more than likely he'll be a depth player who plays most weeks at Casey, whereas we had a very talented young mid on our list who could have benefited from a hard coach like Neeld.

But who knows? Maybe his attitude wasn't right, maybe there was personal problems, none of us really know. In the end, it's a shame it didn't work out, and here's hoping we win the gamble.

No loss

No loss

No clues.

Let's at least wait half a season before judging, just like we're doing for our own recruits. It's always the clueless who talk in certainties at this stage of the season.

It means bugger all if you don't develop it either. I would have loved it if Neeld had given Gysberts a bit longer and cracked the whip on him to at least see what he could be. Pederson might end up being great for us, but more than likely he'll be a depth player who plays most weeks at Casey, whereas we had a very talented young mid on our list who could have benefited from a hard coach like Neeld.

But who knows? Maybe his attitude wasn't right, maybe there was personal problems, none of us really know. In the end, it's a shame it didn't work out, and here's hoping we win the gamble.

Neeld & Misson already had 12 months with him, long enough to know.

Pederson is not a swap for Gysberts, he fills a hole up forward & can ruck at times.

Whether Pederson succeeds is not related to Gysberts getting the see ya later.

It means bugger all if you don't develop it either. I would have loved it if Neeld had given Gysberts a bit longer and cracked the whip on him to at least see what he could be. Pederson might end up being great for us, but more than likely he'll be a depth player who plays most weeks at Casey, whereas we had a very talented young mid on our list who could have benefited from a hard coach like Neeld.

But who knows? Maybe his attitude wasn't right, maybe there was personal problems, none of us really know. In the end, it's a shame it didn't work out, and here's hoping we win the gamble.

I think he did crack the whip 'stuie' but got no reaction so he was moved on. We just don't have time for these guys if they don't want to put in the work. Good luck to him if he can turn it around, he can accumulate possessions but doesn't hurt when he has the ball. No run and carry and at best average by foot.

Neeld & Misson already had 12 months with him, long enough to know.

Pederson is not a swap for Gysberts, he fills a hole up forward & can ruck at times.

Whether Pederson succeeds is not related to Gysberts getting the see ya later.

We traded Gysberts for Pederson WYL.

I think their success is absolutely relative, that's how you determine the value of a trade.

Gysberts can play but his attitude is poor - things are just 'too hard'

That's how he's always been.

I think he did crack the whip 'stuie' but got no reaction so he was moved on. We just don't have time for these guys if they don't want to put in the work. Good luck to him if he can turn it around, he can accumulate possessions but doesn't hurt when he has the ball. No run and carry and at best average by foot.

None of us know that. If that was the reason Neeld moved him on then I don't have a problem with it, as long as all avenues were exhausted. Still think the trade was a gamble, and would rather Neeld toughen up players than ship them out every time.

Gysberts can play but his attitude is poor - things are just 'too hard'

That's how he's always been.

Hahaha yes, cos you've "always" known him.

No clues.

Let's at least wait half a season before judging, just like we're doing for our own recruits. It's always the clueless who talk in certainties at this stage of the season.

He may well be serviceable for Norf, but wasn't for us. So I maintain, no loss to us.

We traded Gysberts for Pederson WYL.

I think their success is absolutely relative, that's how you determine the value of a trade.

i knew you would say that.

We gave Gysberts away. Damaged goods.

If Cam Pederson plays 3 games it is an improvement.

We didn't need Gysberts. Pederson could be most useful.

No clues.

Let's at least wait half a season before judging, just like we're doing for our own recruits. It's always the clueless who talk in certainties at this stage of the season.

What I do know is that he may be serviceable for Norf but was not for us.

He may well be serviceable for Norf, but wasn't for us. So I maintain, no loss to us.

Yup, struggled in 2012 for various reasons, but still maintain it's a gamble trade, not saying wrong, just a big gamble that we hopefully win.

i knew you would say that.

We gave Gysberts away. Damaged goods.

If Cam Pederson plays 3 games it is an improvement.

We didn't need Gysberts. Pederson could be most useful.

We've got enough fringe VFL players, we desperately need talented mids and Gys is one of those, yet to be seen if he lives up to his potential but that's how it goes in AFL.

Hahaha yes, cos you've "always" known him.

Yep, but won't divulge on a public forum.

Yep, but won't divulge on a public forum.

With mates like you who needs enemies hey...

With mates like you who needs enemies hey...

stuie, keep fishing, you'll never know.

stuie, keep fishing, you'll never know.

Haha I don't need to fish, know him through a good mate who went to Yarra Valley with him and think you're talking total BS.

stuie, you were keen to keep Moloney & kept telling us early last season that he'd only had a few bad weeks & would come good.

Sorry, but your judgment on these things isn't the best.