Well you're a narcissist but at least you are honest about it.

Thanks for the un-informed amatuer psychological/psychiatric diagnosis D man. You took offense. No offense meant!

Thanks for the un-informed amatuer psychological/psychiatric diagnosis D man. You took offense. No offense meant!

I didnt take personal offence mate, but clearly if your attitude was shared by the majority of the football club we could kiss the MFC goodbye.

Thankfully i think people of your attitude are in a minority, let's hope it stays that way.

The point is that firstly the kids don't need to hear it.

The second is it's hard enough to get these kids supporting the dees without rabid supporters blasting our players with all the words your mum told you not to use.

Or maybe like gidon you couldn't give a toss about the kids or families.

Actually I do care about people.

But to me I think your over analysing this Issue. To me most kids won't get scared of someone in ear shot, being aggressive unless it seems to them that it's unnerving their parent. Then they can take that lead, that if the parent is scared or angry, then it effects them as well.

You not going to change what is a very natural & organic behaviour, so I suggest you ask the MCC to make a family only area within it's confines, so you can have an Island within.

You not going to change what is a very natural & organic behaviour,

There is a lot of natural and organic behaviour, you know the one, most of that goes on behind closed doors....because people choose to excercise self control.

And that natural and organic behaviour led to my many children, which ironically brings me here.. to this argument.

I think i just broke a brain cell.

NB: I don't think it is asking too much for people to look around and consider the old lady or family in front, next to, or behind them before they unload into a tirade of f's and c's. That is all.

Edited May 1, 201213 yr by dandeeman

Dictonary definitions of the word "support"...

• To give active help, encouragement or money to somebody or something.
  

• To be in favour of something, e.g. a cause, policy, organisation, or sports team, and wish to see it succeed.
  

• To give encouragement to somebody or something by being present at an event.
  

D Man. Just because i dont care about other ppls kids, does not mean i wish harm on them. You have taken my comment and ran with it the wrong way

D Man. Just because i dont care about other ppls kids, does not mean i wish harm on them. You have taken my comment and ran with it the wrong way

I realise what you meant, but you are part of the club, and if we all shared your ambivalence to the kids we would very soon disappear.

dee-luded, "organic behaviour"? That's just nonsense to me - I don't think it's natural to unleash a tirade of f's and c's directly at a player when kids are in earshot. You (general "you", not you you) wouldn't do it if you were at a school, so why is doing so at the footy okay?

In fact, I don't think it even matters if there are kids in ear shot or not. I think it's boorish, idiotic behavior and I think you're a boorish idiot if you do it.

Dictonary definitions of the word "support"...

• To give active help, encouragement or money to somebody or something.
  

• To be in favour of something, e.g. a cause, policy, organisation, or sports team, and wish to see it succeed.
  

• To give encouragement to somebody or something by being present at an event.
  

Sadly our "fans" seem to take the easy path in continually pointing towards the negatives in our playing group both past & present.

Edited May 1, 201213 yr by Dr Who

There is a lot of natural and organic behaviour, you know the one, most of that goes on behind closed doors....because people choose to excercise self control.

And that natural and organic behaviour led to my many children, which ironically brings me here.. to this argument.

I think i just broke a brain cell.

NB: I don't think it is asking too much for people to look around and consider the old lady or family in front, next to, or behind them before they unload into a tirade of f's and c's. That is all.

It's not too much to ask, to mind your language in public, or anywhere really.... But that doesn't stop people being angry & disappointed & venting those feelings.In fact healthy to get it off the chest, release the stress, so as not to have a coronary as it where.

What you do in your bedroom Jungle Jim is up to you. What others do is they're domain. Missionary is OK I guess, sometimes Jungle, but swinging from the vines, well, theres 'ya' ticket.

Now, back on track, conservative MCC goer 'ey', gets angry at those around him, who are already angry... have you thought about misplaced frustrations Jim, that maybe your just as frustrated at the players, but turn it on supporters you find a dislike for in YOUR Domain, instead... taking the high moral ground?

dee-luded, "organic behaviour"? That's just nonsense to me - I don't think it's natural to unleash a tirade of f's and c's directly at a player when kids are in earshot. You (general "you", not you you) wouldn't do it if you were at a school, so why is doing so at the footy okay?

In fact, I don't think it even matters if there are kids in ear shot or not. I think it's boorish, idiotic behavior and I think you're a boorish idiot if you do it.

Nasher. Common, thats poor form to suggest that what I'm talking about is extreme profanity in public. I don't, so for you to try to turn the argument based on bullschitt is just plain Wrong again.

I don't condone mouthfulls of Fu@%s & C()#!$ coming out in front of anyone, men or kids.

That's Not what I'm talking about so maybe you should go back & re read the thread.

I'm talking about peoples right to yell at the players & tell them to get they're act together sort of thing. Pull the finger out. You know the stuff Nash.

Somehow this thread has turned into extreme's being the example. It also implies this kind of behaviour only occurs with Demon supporters. Every club has a whipping boy(s). Brent Stanton is the perfect example with bomber supporters yelling abuse toward his under performance, and poor skill level. Davis copped abuse from Pie supporters for being what some to perceive as Moloney-esk. A flat track bully.

Its only pronounced as we have won one game in in approx 10 rounds, and have won around 5 to 6 games a year for the last 5 years. How many games do we lose and get thrashed before Demon supporters get so frustrated they lose perspective. i think we have way passed the threshold.

I hate the C word and will never condone it. The F word is frequented in schools and worse. Its the aggression attached to it kids are fearful of. These same kids will grow up and behave in a similar way (yes i realise not all will, and yes your kid arn't perfect and may)

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Somehow this thread has turned into extreme's being the example. It also implies this kind of behaviour only occurs with Demon supporters. Every club has a whipping boy(s). Brent Stanton is the perfect example with bomber supporters yelling abuse toward his under performance, and poor skill level. Davis copped abuse from Pie supporters for being what some to perceive as Moloney-esk. A flat track bully.

Its only pronounced as we have won one game in in approx 10 rounds, and have won around 5 to 6 games a year for the last 5 years. How many games do we lose and get thrashed before Demon supporters get so frustrated they lose perspective. i think we have way passed the threshold.

I hate the C word and will never condone it. The F word is frequented in schools and worse. Its the aggression attached to it kids are fearful of. These same kids will grow up and behave in a similar way (yes i realise not all will, and yes your kid arn't perfect and may)

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The implication is more we are getting worse - it has nothing to do with other sides. The last 12-15 months you can see and hear the noticeable difference.

Sure other clubs do it - but let them deal with that. Its up to us to sort out our problem fans.

I question the research Dr. It maybe perceived and not actual. Your experience is not neccesarily fact (or a minority of others).

I question the research Dr. It maybe perceived and not actual. Your experience is not neccesarily fact (or a minority of others).

You only have to go to the games - simple.

yep, but you cant tarnish everyone with the same brush. I have no doubt it occurs with every club and i see it. Its been happening for decades. but the F'n and C clan is only a minority.

There is nothing wrong with passion and expressing that. If kids and ensuring our future through kids supporting the club is the issue, then the way other club supporters behave is an issue. There F'n and C's and behaviour scares them just as much.

A Great thread. Well done Pitchfork and PSD.

Yes if you have played any reasonable standard of football you will know of the problem of the oval ball and its quirky bounce, the week in week out grind of training. The challenge of a good opposition, particularly the guy who runs two metres faster than you over 10, the 6'6" forward pocket when you are onloy 6"0" etc etc, the skill of picking up the half volley off your toes in the wet. yes of course training throughout the 10 degree wind and rain week after week or the 30 degree heat of summer, and having to play with an injury because the team already had too many injuries etc etc etc. Occasionally I let go on a demon player and remember I merely played in the suburbs.

Enough of the practicality of the challenge.

But a little more ethereal reflection.. All of life is a projection. What we see around us is merely a projection of what is inside us. Ever so true out on the field. All that passion and energy is telling us something about ourselves. All those grumpy old bums are really externalising something they are also internalizing within themselves. If they think the team is screwed up or perhaps some players, its telling us an awful lot about themselves...real screwed up.

It's called vicarious living, living through someone else. Parents struggle with it all the time, as a parent I know its a tough gig. If all your entertainment is on TV / computor games etc., don't go to a psychologist for the shock would be too much.

If only we could see that following the football is entertainment and not the real world. If you think it is , you ain't got a life.

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yep, but you cant tarnish everyone with the same brush. I have no doubt it occurs with every club and i see it. Its been happening for decades. but the F'n and C clan is only a minority.

There is nothing wrong with passion and expressing that. If kids and ensuring our future through kids supporting the club is the issue, then the way other club supporters behave is an issue. There F'n and C's and behaviour scares them just as much.

Far from it I've never said "everyone" all I've said its getting worse - massive difference. Passion is great as long as its positive.

Passion is great as long as it's positive. Hmm there's something wrong with that statement. Passion is unbridalled and it knows no bounds, it's a broad spectrum which encapulates the highs and lows of life.

fwiw I'm a rancid dog at the footy but I put a muzzle on if there are youngins or old people nearby. I will let a player know if they have done something I don't like and I make no apologies for that. Footy is where I get my frustrations out and everyione has a right to do that!

I am a passionate person, I wear my heart on my sleeve and that is never more prevelent than at the G watching my boys play! Shoot me down all you snooty nosed conservatives!

To me most kids won't get scared of someone in ear shot, being aggressive unless it seems to them that it's unnerving their parent. Then they can take that lead, that if the parent is scared or angry, then it effects them as well.

This sounds right to me. Most kids have seen swaggering swearing hair-trigger violent behaviour at school. They also have TV. Close-up adult slobs may be a shock, but I reckon kids are in any case generally resilient.

You shouldn't under-rate the power of a safe reassuring hand to hold.

I got a lot of surprises when I went to the footy in the fifties, with my dad and my uncles, and stood there among the teeming masses who broke all our rules. Either in spite of or maybe even partly because of the thrill and danger, I was excited. I certainly wasn't repelled from the footy. I think that has to have been because dad and my uncles were fine in the middle of it all. I can well imagine they told me "yes, but don't take any notice", and pointed out to me what was happening in the game...

Twenty years ago I took my then 10-year-old son in his scarf and everything to a Collingwood game and our seats were right behind two decked-out Collingwood yobbos with a slab each. They leaped and roared at everything the umpire or anyone else did right through the Reserves. Before the main game one of them turned round to make sure the "little fella" could see ok, and at quarter time asked if they could bring us back a pie! Often there is humour and goodwill visible along with the "rancid passion".

Edited May 1, 201213 yr by robbiefrom13

This sounds right to me. Most kids have seen swaggering swearing hair-trigger violent behaviour at school. They also have TV. Close-up adult slobs may be a shock, but I reckon kids are in any case generally resilient.

You shouldn't under-rate the power of a safe reassuring hand to hold.

I got a lot of surprises when I went to the footy in the fifties, with my dad and my uncles, and stood there among the teeming masses who broke all our rules. Either in spite of or maybe even partly because of the thrill and danger, I was excited. I certainly wasn't repelled from the footy. I think that has to have been because dad and my uncles were fine in the middle of it all. I can well imagine they told me "yes, but don't take any notice", and pointed out to me what was happening in the game...

Twenty years ago I took my then 10-year-old son in his scarf and everything to a Collingwood game and our seats were right behind two decked-out Collingwood yobbos with a slab each. They leaped and roared at everything the umpire or anyone else did right through the Reserves. Before the main game one of them turned round to make sure the "little fella" could see ok, and at quarter time asked if they could bring us back a pie! Often there is humour and goodwill visible along with the "rancid passion".

IMO Children & Animals have a similar basic emotional program. They take they're lead from they're main guardian. Feel secure if the guardian is behaving securely, get scared if the attention comes directly to them.

We've all seen Dogs, & how they're temperament can be altered by they're Guardian, become aggressive if they're master is an aggressive type, or passive if there's is passive. Scared if there's is scared.

IMO, Fear can be learnt, just as Losing can become acclimatised to, & it takes some jolting to get that Vehicle out of it's rut...

This sounds right to me. Most kids have seen swaggering swearing hair-trigger violent behaviour at school. They also have TV. Close-up adult slobs may be a shock, but I reckon kids are in any case generally resilient.

You shouldn't under-rate the power of a safe reassuring hand to hold.

I got a lot of surprises when I went to the footy in the fifties, with my dad and my uncles, and stood there among the teeming masses who broke all our rules. Either in spite of or maybe even partly because of the thrill and danger, I was excited. I certainly wasn't repelled from the footy. I think that has to have been because dad and my uncles were fine in the middle of it all. I can well imagine they told me "yes, but don't take any notice", and pointed out to me what was happening in the game...

Twenty years ago I took my then 10-year-old son in his scarf and everything to a Collingwood game and our seats were right behind two decked-out Collingwood yobbos with a slab each. They leaped and roared at everything the umpire or anyone else did right through the Reserves. Before the main game one of them turned round to make sure the "little fella" could see ok, and at quarter time asked if they could bring us back a pie! Often there is humour and goodwill visible along with the "rancid passion".

This begs the question, that if many of the intimidated supporters go to their Island, away from the rancid crowd, what sort of climate are they giving to the players off field?

You said that in the '50's when you were a kid, the crowd were aggressively yelling at the players & we were in our most successful Era.

Yet now, the safety of the MCC, is where our boys are shielded. Co Incidence or what?

Edited May 2, 201213 yr by dee-luded

Mind if I get up off this couch and go outside to get a breath of fresh air and clear my head? All of this analysis is doing my head in.

It was the wild-eyed senior citizens on the boundry line that swore like sailors when I went to the footy as a kid.

Grandmothers can be like that.

It was the wild-eyed senior citizens on the boundry line that swore like sailors when I went to the footy as a kid.Grandmothers can be like that.

ahhhhhhh the days of Windy Hill & Victoria Park are long gone - The AFL moved forward for a reason.