Tom Scully

[Kento80 83]

Tom Scully's press conference deceived us all. He lied.

If he does anything other than sign with MFC the above is true in my eyes. And i dont think he'll play in our colours next year

While the fact that you think that annoys the hell out of me, at least you are man enough to admit it. As opposed to all the others who go as close as possible to saying that but don't have the balls to admit it.

[Range Rover 1,935]

I cannot believe you are sticking with such a specious argument.

'He is lying because if he wasn't he would take those journos to court.'

Range Rover is a 4-foot midget transvestite with athlete's foot.

If you don't take me to court we will all know something we didn't want to know about RR...

Nothing specious about it.

Guy is being called a liar on Tv and radio.

You can dance around that and make all the wisecracks all you like.

It's slander.

[rpfc 28,220]

Tom Scully's press conference deceived us all. He lied.

If he does anything other than sign with MFC the above is true in my eyes. And i dont think he'll play in our colours next year

I respect your position more than RR's because you are forthright in your opinion and are willing to take the rational step that your argument demands - that Tom Scully lied at his press conference.

Well done.

If you believe he is already gone, you believe he is a liar.

There are no equivocations.

I don't think Tom is a liar.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

If it is your opinion, state that by saying "I reckon it will have a profound effect on the players". As I said, there is a big difference between making a statement or an assumption. It is interesting to note that even though you claim to have "tipped a [censored] load of money in when the club looked like foundering?" you seem to have a very low opinion of the management of said club, if you think they would go around offering contracts that they know will destabilise the playing group, or if you think they didn't even realise it would have this effect. And you are free to assume whatever the hell you want about me mate. My assumption and guesswork is currently sitting at 575, yours at 1381, interesting that. 90% of what is uttered on this site is assumption, opinion and guesswork, so get over yourself.

I'll frame my responses however I want and don't need any advice from you how I should so let's get that straight, so you get over yourself.

I've followed the club for a long time and there have been many poor administrations over that time, this is one of the better ones; I have nothing but the utmost respect for Jim Stynes, he was the reason I put the money in, no one else.

Your post count is up to 575 in a couple of months mine is over a period of years, I don't live on here you obviously do. As for my assumption of you, before the last couple of days I didn't know who you were and in another couple I won't even give you a second thought. Get a life.

[nutbean 8,838]

Because Nutbean, if you outright accuse someone of lying without veritable proof, you are slandering them. A ban-able offense I would have thought.

What do I believe? I believe life 'aint all sunshine and rainbows. And I believe many of you wouldn't make good poker players.

Sorry mods - help me here as I think the above is a cop out.

Is this ban-able.

None of us have irrefutable proof one way or the other ( I think we can all agree on that).

It is my belief that a contract or agreement has been signed/reached before his presser and subsequent statements or

I believe that TS/Velocity has received a GWS offer before his presser .

I believe that TS staight out lied to us in his press conference.

The above is a constructive and defendable opinion. ( just not one I ascribe to)

Would a poster be banned for saying that ?

[rpfc 28,220]

Nothing specious about it.

Guy is being called a liar on Tv and radio.

You can dance around that and make all the wisecracks all you like.

It's slander.

And libel.

Doesn't mean that him not doing anything litigious is him tacitly saying he is lying.

Going to court as the palntiff is a choice, a hard one, and one that a 19 year old who only has to put up with the crap for 2 more months obviously thinks isn't worth it.

[hardtack 10,505]

That's not what Cam Schwab said on SEN the other day. Said Tom was hurt that people would suggest he's been lying.

Doesn't sound very 'comfortable with it' to me.

Well, perhaps come season's end, when he re-signs with the Dees, he plans to make up the shortfall between the club's offer and the GWS offer, by suing the pants off a few journos

Then again, maybe insinuation (which is what it is... no journo has come out and said "he's lying") is a much harder thing to qualify and prove in terms of legal action.

Yes, he is probably hurt by the insinuations (although I suspect that Schwab may well be exaggerating for the benefit of the press), but there is every possibility he may have a thicker skin than you or I and is prepared to live with those insinuations in the knowledge that he will have the last laugh and that a lot of "highly respected" journos and their "immaculate sources", will be left wiping massive amounts of egg off their faces.

[Kento80 83]

Just for those that have missed an obvious point. Scully has indeed made a demand of the club, that he WONT commit until the end of the season , if inddeed he does. Now some may see this as a nonsense but as its the crux of the matter I hardly see how it is. Many different options come into play at season's end that arent there now that is if there are indeed any real options at all.

As RB, Myself, RR and others have already noted here the environment in which all this is taking place has changed from when the initial gambit of "I wont sign til eos 2011" was announced.

Much about anything in life is the position of one's motive. There must be something terribly terribly important about the timing ( and its associated possibilites) that has Scully/ Velocity adamant about not signing now. Many other players arent taking this repose. They are adjusting as deals and offers are made.

Some wil lsay, well he's entitled to do so. In a fashion I cant disagree. Bu tin theface of all things it really smacks of an ulterior reasoning. What more does he need to know ? He knows what GWS have on the table..He knows what MFC has on the table. Its irrelevant in reality what transpires at the CBA..So again What ?

I hear the deafening silence from those that suggest "all is well" . If there is nothing untoward then there is only benefits to the club and himself to sign now. . He could probably get an instant pay rise in doing so. Irregardless of what the AFL say .. The club would sit easier, the fans would sit easier , the focus would return to footy and this is his want after all...supposedly all about the footy. But he doesnt . Why ?

This kid would make one hell of a poker player !!!

While it may only be one small point, I reckon there could be a bit to waiting to see how the coaching situation plays out. If he absolutely loves Bailey, he may not want to be there without him, or may want to make sure that the next coach is going to give him a chance of the success he desires. Or perhaps he can't wait to see the back of Bailey and wants to make sure he is gone before making a decision. I know this has been done before, but you asked why, and I see that as a very plausible reason. These things could have an effect over the success a player achieves in their career.

[Dee Fan 3,247]

While the fact that you think that annoys the hell out of me, at least you are man enough to admit it. As opposed to all the others who go as close as possible to saying that but don't have the balls to admit it.

Do you think that people on here seek absolution from you? If someone on here, or anywhere for that matter, thinks he is lying then that's their right, if they want to put it print that's their right, if they want to allude to it that's their right. If it annoys you then that's your right but I doubt that you'd see it that way. You understand that don't you?

Edited July 15, 2011 by RobbieF

[DemonWA 3,928]

I respect your position more than RR's because you are forthright in your opinion and are willing to take the rational step that your argument demands - that Tom Scully lied at his press conference.

Well done.

If you believe he is already gone, you believe he is a liar.

There are no equivocations.

I don't think Tom is a liar.

Thanks rpfc

Do you believe he'll play for us next year?

[nutbean 8,838]

Tom Scully's press conference deceived us all. He lied.

If he does anything other than sign with MFC the above is true in my eyes. And i dont think he'll play in our colours next year

Cudo's - respect your right to voice your opinion but dont agree.

What I will say - if TS does anything else but sign with us I will conclude that his decision is all about money ( and I will mention the merc... word) as I can see very little reason to move from us to GWS other than money. At least Ablett had accomplished premierships and brownlows and so it as an opportunity to restart with a new club - he has given 8 years of very good service to the Cats. So for GA you can argue it was not only about the money.

[Range Rover 1,935]

And libel.

Doesn't mean that him not doing anything litigious is him tacitly saying he is lying.

Going to court as the palntiff is a choice, a hard one, and one that a 19 year old who only has to put up with the crap for 2 more months obviously thinks isn't worth it.

No, but it does say that he and his camp are willing to have mud thrown at them without vigorously fighting back.

I am simply asking why?

Hardtack says it's because it's possible that he's 'comfortable that he's not lying'.

But Schwab showed that was not the case by coming on SEN and stating the player was 'hurt' by the allegations.

If you don't think it's 'worth it', why agree for Schwab to come on the program?

And why didn't Schwab attack Schwarz - one of the men at the heart of the allegations - for slandering his boy?

Edited July 15, 2011 by Range Rover

[Kento80 83]

I'll frame my responses however I want and don't need any advice from you how I should so let's get that straight, so you get over yourself.

I've followed the club for a long time and there have been many poor administrations over that time, this is one of the better ones; I have nothing but the utmost respect for Jim Stynes, he was the reason I put the money in, no one else.

Your post count is up to 575 in a couple of months mine is over a period of years, I don't live on here you obviously do. As for my assumption of you, before the last couple of days I didn't know who you were and in another couple I won't even give you a second thought. Get a life.

You can frame your responses how you like, but don't go getting your knickers in a twist if someone takes affront at it.

I too have followed this club a long time, all my life actually, and am glad that we now have an administration which I can now put my trust in.

As for my posts, well I post on things that interest me, and reply to any replies made to anything I say. I have a life, I work, I surf everyday, I go 4wdriving, I go out with my mates, I watch footy and I use this forum. My apologies if I have offended you by posting a little too much for your liking, I'll try keep it to a minimum from now on, starting with ignoring the rubbish spewed forth by your good self.

[nutbean 8,838]

And libel.

Doesn't mean that him not doing anything litigious is him tacitly saying he is lying.

Going to court as the palntiff is a choice, a hard one, and one that a 19 year old who only has to put up with the crap for 2 more months obviously thinks isn't worth it.

Did two years of law so I am qualified to give a half arsed opinion ( of which most of the time was spent playing pool ) - lesson on day one - the hardest cases to win are libel/slander charges.

There is a major difference between saying - he has lied and I believe he has lied.

Edited July 15, 2011 by nutbean

[Striker475 696]

What is the craziest thing of all of this is that this thread has hit nearly 2000 replies in a month - and has gone 20 pages IN FOUR DAYS.

[rpfc 28,220]

Thanks rpfc

Do you believe he'll play for us next year?

I do.

There is a chance he won't, I have always maintained that.

I don't think he is liar and I am adamant that he has a decision to make in September.

I am confident that not only will he sign for the Dees, but that the club will give him a good contract that allows us to still do what we want to do.

[DemonWA 3,928]

Ablett left for the money too, he just didnt have the host of reasons to stick with the cats that we hope scully has to stay with MFC, because he had allready achieved so much

[DemonWA 3,928]

I do.

There is a chance he won't, I have always maintained that.

I don't think he is liar and I am adamant that he has a decision to make in September.

I am confident that not only will he sign for the Dees, but that the club will give him a good contract that allows us to still do what we want to do.

I hope you're right!

[Dee Fan 3,247]

You can frame your responses how you like, but don't go getting your knickers in a twist if someone takes affront at it.

I too have followed this club a long time, all my life actually, and am glad that we now have an administration which I can now put my trust in.

As for my posts, well I post on things that interest me, and reply to any replies made to anything I say. I have a life, I work, I surf everyday, I go 4wdriving, I go out with my mates, I watch footy and I use this forum. My apologies if I have offended you by posting a little too much for your liking, I'll try keep it to a minimum from now on, starting with ignoring the rubbish spewed forth by your good self.

And I'll reciprocate, I've avoided responding to garbage up until now and I'll get back to reading posters that have a clue.

[Demon16 69]

If scully signs before the end of the year wouldn't that mean he has lied?

Would that lie be ok?

[hardtack 10,505]

No, but it does say that he and his camp are willing to have mud thrown at them without vigorously fighting back.

I am simply asking why?

Hardtack says it's because it's possible that he's 'comfortable that he's not lying'.

But Schwab showed that was not the case by coming on SEN and stating the player was 'hurt' by the allegations.

If you don't think it's 'worth it', why agree for Schwab to come on the program?

And why not attack Schwarz - one of the men at the heart of the allegations - for slandering your boy?

Missed my subsequent post RR? the one where I qualified my original comment (and your response) with:

"Then again, maybe insinuation (which is what it is... no journo has come out and said "he's lying") is a much harder thing to qualify and prove in terms of legal action.

Yes, he is probably hurt by the insinuations (although I suspect that Schwab may well be exaggerating for the benefit of the press), but there is every possibility he may have a thicker skin than you or I and is prepared to live with those insinuations in the knowledge that he will have the last laugh and that a lot of "highly respected" journos and their "immaculate sources", will be left wiping massive amounts of egg off their faces."

[45HG 1,539]

Given that 99% of the speculation here revolves around "if he signs with MFC post-season he has been telling the truth" and "if he signs with GWS post-season he was lying," I don't see why most people on here can't just say their piece, leave what they think will happen and then wait until post-season to see what happens.

[rpfc 28,220]

No, but it does say that he and his camp are willing to have mud thrown at them without vigorously fighting back.

I am simply asking why?

Hardtack says it's because it's possible that he's 'comfortable that he's not lying'.

But Schwab showed that was not the case by coming on SEN and stating the player was 'hurt' by the allegations.

If you don't think it's 'worth it', why agree for Schwab to come on the program?

And why not attack Schwarz - one of the men at the heart of the allegations - for slandering your boy?

You are obsessed with Schwarz and Schwab...

Why bother attacking?

The ordeal will be over in a couple months and 'fighting back' as you say, will only make the situation worse, unless you mean he should 'sign' now. That will end the story but that isn't 'fighting back' that is acquiescence to the situation the attackers have caused.

[nutbean 8,838]

Ablett left for the money too, he just didnt have the host of reasons to stick with the cats that we hope scully has to stay with MFC, because he had allready achieved so much

On a negative reason as to why he should stay - I think that this comment is key. Any which way you dice it - if TS leaves it is because of big fat bucks and wont do his rep much good. I do know that there are a few that went to GWS did so for the money but there wasnt a perceived "A" grader amongst them. Campbell Brown, Riscatelli, Ablett even Brennan can make arguments about service and circumstances at their previous clubs that were also part of their reasons for taking the offer.

Even the Judd move was prompted by his desire to come home - he did go to the highest bidder but he opted out of WCE before he started fielding offers.

TS is a 1st round draft pick that has given 1.5 years services and is not deciding whether he wants to come home but actually leave home after accomplishing little and having zero success with a club that by most commentators views is on the rise and 3-5 years ahead of the club he is wooing him ! It can only be about money.

Everything I have seen of the boy, his dedication and particularly his presser comments doesnt make me think that its all about the money. I find it hard to believe that he will back away from his press conference statements.

[Striker475 696]

On a negative reason as to why he should stay - I think that this comment is key. Any which way you dice it - if TS leaves it is because of big fat bucks and wont do his rep much good. I do know that there are a few that went to GWS did so for the money but there wasnt a perceived "A" grader amongst them. Campbell Brown, Riscatelli, Ablett even Brennan can make arguments about service and circumstances at their previous clubs that were also part of their reasons for taking the offer.

Even the Judd move was prompted by his desire to come home - he did go to the highest bidder but he opted out of WCE before he started fielding offers.

TS is a 1st round draft pick that has given 1.5 years services and is not deciding whether he wants to come home but actually leave home after accomplishing little and having zero success with a club that by most commentators views is on the rise and 3-5 years ahead of the club he is wooing him ! It can only be about money.

Everything I have seen of the boy, his dedication and particularly his presser comments doesnt make me think that its all about the money. I find it hard to believe that he will back away from his press conference statements.

Agreed.

If he stays, I can't wait for the collective raised finger to the AFL.