Yesterday was embarrassing, but in a good way. If we win a flag in the near future on the back of Tom Scully's Norm Smith medal then I hope that opposition supporters bring up this game as being the reason we won the flag.

Their bitterness would just make it taste a little bit sweeter!

I think, even if we don't get 1st pick, which would assume we win 2 or more, we still have a strong chance to get Scully - if we finish 2nd last. WA had a STRONG team in the carnival this year and by all indications from last years draft they'd be pretty keen to pick another home-state lad due to the 'travel factor'. Pull one from no-where. Thoughts?

So it is in our hands...

So it is.

There is too much focus on Freo and not enough on the real risks we are still to encounter

People would be wrong to overlook the danger of the North and Carlton games. Both games are very winnable by MFC and as much as I hate to say it, its going to take some shrewd thinking to deliver the outcomes we want.

Totally agree re Nth & Carlton. The last round is also not out of the question - St.Kilda. But I'm tipping no one will agree with me there. Alot can happen in 4 weeks, just have a look at some of the injury concerns for the Saints out of the Sydney game. They've had a great run, but it could all go pear shaped by the finals if they continue their pursuit of an undefeated season. We did stick with them until half-time at the Gold Coast....... . the odds are it will be St.Kilda's game, touch wood it is.

Under Bailey's stewardship we've won 6 of 40 games at a success rate of 15%, but some think that we'll win 50% of our remaining games even though we're clearly trying to lose and have a lengthy injury list. Yeah right.

Come on down Tom.

Like the confidence. I thought the same thing prior to the start of the Richmond game too.

From what i saw on saturday i think if we beat freo then we just mite see valenti playing on fev vs carlton and PJ on betts....just from going on the experiments vs the tigs! DB wont throw away the PP!!

best result would be to lose to freo and kangas and then beat the blues to knock them out of the finals. They destoryed our season in im pretty sure 06 when we lost to them twice, lets get revenge.

....winning is going to be very tough, even against Fremantle. I'm feeling safer by the week. However Carlton are a real danger game, moreso than North.

I will feel safer in 3 weeks if we have only won 1 more game. Until then they are all danger games. Note the Bummers were supposed to be fighting to stay in the 8 yesterday and if I hadn't just been watching the Tigers at the G would have said they were atrocious!

It was also the Bulldogs who are currently higher on the ladder than Carlton (which seems to be your angle here).

My 'angle' is that they have won more than triple the amount of games than we have for a reason - they're a far better side than us.

Sure, we could beat Carlton. We could beat St. Kilda. You could buy a lotto ticket and hit the jackpot.

Is it probable that any of those things will occur? No.

My 'angle' is that they have won more than triple the amount of games than we have for a reason - they're a far better side than us.

Sure, we could beat Carlton. We could beat St. Kilda. You could buy a lotto ticket and hit the jackpot.

Is it probable that any of those things will occur? No.

I've already pointed out that I expect Carlton to win.

Without this going around in circles lets just agree to disagree that this could be a danger game to Carlton if we give ourselves the best possible chance of winning.

I've already pointed out that I expect Carlton to win.

Without this going around in circles lets just agree to disagree that this could be a danger game to Carlton if we give ourselves the best possible chance of winning.

How do you define 'danger game'? If that means probably, likely or 'even money chance' then sure, we disagree.

However, if you want to suggest that virtually any game is a 'danger game' by cirtue of their being just two sides, then you're putting words in my mouth - I've already said that a win is possible. Upsets happen in AFL footy so clearly there's some chance.

That said - as I already pointed out - we should be realistic about our chances. We've won just three games this year. We won just three games last year. We won five the season before. I think that's a reasonably fair reflection of where we're currently at.

Furthremore, we also have a very long injury list. If we did win it would be an upset indeed.

I've never seen fans of a struggling team with only a few wins under their belt - and half their team in rehab - so bullish about their prospects of knocking off finals-bound sides at the end of a season.

How do you define 'danger game'? If that means probably, likely or 'even money chance' then sure, we disagree.

Without being too scientific and keeping it as a casual chat I guess a danger game (to me) is one where a team is generally not expected to win but you (personally) are not surprised if they get up. Every now and then you get games where for no other reason than a gut feeling you are not surprised. I told a doggies supporter friend of mine late in 2007 that the Dees were a danger game to them - I wouldn't have tipped us or anything but we did end up winning for some reason.

Anyway it doesn't really matter, your rationale makes sense.

I've never seen fans of a struggling team with only a few wins under their belt - and half their team in rehab - so bullish about their prospects of knocking off finals-bound sides at the end of a season.

well not since WC and Essendon last Sunday anyway ...

Without being too scientific and keeping it as a casual chat I guess a danger game (to me) is one where a team is generally not expected to win but you (personally) are not surprised if they get up. Every now and then you get games where for no other reason than a gut feeling you are not surprised. I told a doggies supporter friend of mine late in 2007 that the Dees were a danger game to them

Sure, I get where you're coming from.

I think the class of a few of their better players should ensure a win, but stranger things have and will happen in footy.

When they were terrible they had a bad habit of knocking us off - twice in one season we were looking alright, IIRC - so hopefully that continues for one more game