A meaningless result in a lack lustre game against a marshmallow opposition.

A meaningless result in a lack lustre game against a marshmallow opposition.

RR, spot on. We've spanked Port on the MCG for 12 years on every occasion except one, and where's it got us? No where.

We simply MUST load up on top line players to enable us to challenge the top line sides in big matches - something we've conspicuously failed to do.

A meaningless result in a lack lustre game against a marshmallow opposition.

Well they did have a Finals spot on the line.

Well they did have a Finals spot on the line.

Even you would be able to see that PA dogged it on the effort yesterday. We beat a soft and disinterested opposition.

1st round PPs

(added next pick on 45HGs good advice)

(added TJ in 97 on Jarka's good advice)

team / Priority Tally

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Hawthorn 3 = Ellis, Roughead, Hodge

Carlton 3 = Kruezer, Walker, Murphy

Western Bulldogs 2 = Cooney, Griffen

St Kilda 2 = Riewoldt, Ball

Collingwood 2 = Thomas, Fraser

Melbourne 2 = Sylvia, Johnstone (converted to Grimes)

West Coast 1 = Judd (converted to Masten, Kennedy, Notte)

Richmond 1 = Deledio

Fremantle 1 = Haselby

Pick # / Player (next pick) / Draft / Team

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1

Matthew Kreuzer (next pick traded for Judd)

2007

Carlton

3

Xavier Ellis (next pick Dowler)

2005

Hawthorn

2

Dale Thomas (Pendlebury)

2005

Collingwood

1

Marc Murphy (Kennedy traded for Judd)

2005

Carlton

3

Ryan Griffen (Williams)

2004

Western Bulldogs

1

Brett Deledio (Tambling)

2004

Richmond

2

Jarryd Roughead (Franklin)

2004

Hawthorn

1

Adam Cooney (Ray)

2003

Western Bulldogs

3

Colin Sylvia (McLean)

2003

Melbourne

2

Andrew Walker (next pick lost thru salary Cap penalty)

2003

Carlton

3

Chris Judd (Sampi)

[Judd converted to Masten, Kennedy and Notte in trade to Carlton]

2001

West Coast

2

Luke Ball (X.Clarke)

2001

St Kilda

1

Luke Hodge (Freo traded the pick for Croad, then picked Polak)

2001

Hawthorn

1

Nick Riewoldt (Kosi)

2000

St kilda

2

Paul Hasleby (Pavlich)

1999

Fremantle

1

Josh Fraser (Danny Roach (pick 7) - swapped pick 3 (Fiora) with Richmond - neither took Pav)

1999

Collingwood

1

Travis Johnstone (next pick traded to Freo for Jeff White, Freo on traded to Richmond who picked Ottens)

[TJ converted into Grimes in trade with Brisbane]

1997

Melbourne

Edited July 17, 200916 yr by old55

Good stat Old.

Though personally I feel it's more about who the club selects with their second pick in the top 5 that is important (as it can be assumed they'd have selected the first player regardless of the priority pick).

This would give names like Pavlich after Hasleby, Koschitzke after Riewoldt, Mclean after Sylvia, Franklin after Roughead, Pendlebury after Thomas, Judd after Kreuzer.

Good stat Old.

Though personally I feel it's more about who the club selects with their second pick in the top 5 that is important (as it can be assumed they'd have selected the first player regardless of the priority pick).

This would give names like Pavlich after Hasleby, Koschitzke after Riewoldt, Mclean after Sylvia, Franklin after Roughead, Pendlebury after Thomas, Judd after Kreuzer.

Good point - added that data

At this stage, I think getting a winning culture into our young boys is the most beneficial thing for them.

What is a winning culture? How's a fifth win against a side that's managing their own list going to create a winning culture? Does an extra win make a significant difference to a 'winning culture'?

How'd that 'winning culture' work out for us in 2008, after we took five steps towards developing a winning culture the season before?

How about Richmond's 'winning culture' this season, on the back of their great run in the second half of 2008?

Melbourne have had two pp's before the first round. The second one was used on Travis Johnstone, we then used our 2nd pick in a trade to Fremantle in exchange for Jeff White.

This infamous trade later came under security when Gutnick revealed that Melbourne had exceeded the salary cap, with the fines including losing a future early round pick to Freo (pick 4 from memory). This is further interesting because the year that Fremantle were found to be cheating the cap was when Farmer was traded to them. The AFL, in their infinite wisdom, then proceeded to state that the initial penalty on Melbourne was too harsh and they wouldn't be giving us one of Freo's pick in compensation.

Melbourne have had two pp's before the first round. The second one was used on Travis Johnstone, we then used our 2nd pick in a trade to Fremantle in exchange for Jeff White.

Added that one in - are there any others - I couldn't see any pre-97 but I may be missing something.

What is a winning culture? How's a fifth win against a side that's managing their own list going to create a winning culture? Does an extra win make a significant difference to a 'winning culture'?

How'd that 'winning culture' work out for us in 2008, after we took five steps towards developing a winning culture the season before?

How about Richmond's 'winning culture' this season, on the back of their great run in the second half of 2008?

All good points......

Listen to the response: -

*sound of crickets*

What is a winning culture? How's a fifth win against a side that's managing their own list going to create a winning culture? Does an extra win make a significant difference to a 'winning culture'?

How'd that 'winning culture' work out for us in 2008, after we took five steps towards developing a winning culture the season before?

How about Richmond's 'winning culture' this season, on the back of their great run in the second half of 2008?

I Totally Agree with your Points. Trouble is i don't think we are the 16th placed side in the comp with 7 rounds to go.

The Young Kids have improved quicker than what we all thought would happen.

With Whatever number(s) we get in the Draft we must recruit the Best Midfielder available.

Scully i fear will be long gone as the 2 W.A sides & Sydney have given up the chase, while North & Richmond are just Rubbish.

We are somewhere in the middle, but i don't think 16th.

If by some miracle we do end up 16th with the 4 wins. I will be going out to Party so "uckin'" hard.

The world better look out!!