Im easy to try anything different than what we are doing now.

I agree Jarka.

In my opinion Steamin' is right in a way though. The footy department have tried to turn him in to something he's not: an AFL grade footballer.

LOL, you can't blame them for trying though

I really hope I'm wrong about him, I would love for steamin to bring this thread up in two years time to show me I was wrong but it's not looking good right now. I seem to remember someone posting a conversation they had with an opposition coach about Dunn, their opinion was that he's got a build that belongs to footy back in the 80's.

when we've played him in the midfield, he's always been playing as a tagger... He's shown at VFL level that he can win the footy. Been getting his hands on it more than Valenti of late... I'd like to see him given free licence, just let him run around and try and get as much footy as he can... He's got the tank, could play a similar role to Bruce except he can kick better than Bruce...

LOL, you can't blame them for trying though

I really hope I'm wrong about him, I would love for steamin to bring this thread up in two years time to show me I was wrong but it's not looking good right now. I seem to remember someone posting a conversation they had with an opposition coach about Dunn, their opinion was that he's got a build that belongs to footy back in the 80's.

That was me, I overheard then North opposition analyst, now with us, Tim Harrington, speaking with Adam Simpson about him when we played the doggies ta Casey, saying that you don't see that type of build on an AFL player anymore - ie. big hips and thighs

That was me, I overheard then North opposition analyst, now with us, Tim Harrington, speaking with Adam Simpson about him when we played the doggies ta Casey, saying that you don't see that type of build on an AFL player anymore - ie. big hips and thighs

He's hips and thighs are almost Ox-like. But he is not the bullocking type player that Ox was.

Dunn is a plonker.

Not AFL standard.

The forward line now belongs to Watts, Jurrah, Martin, Sylvia etc...

Dunn has no place.

Link for 2004 AFL Draft (Dunn 15)

http://www.afl.com.au/portals/0/afl_docs/d..._Draft_2004.pdf

Interesting seeing who was selected where and how they have developed.

Names stand out like Buddy, Roughhead, Griffen, Lewis.

Surprise seeing LeCras at 37 (Good pick)

Also should have we selected pick 44 instead of 43, after reading the player comments make you wonder what they were thinking.

Your last comment is very pertinent....we are suffering from a number of ailments, not the least of which is failing to

make the most of our draft selections. TJ is another example of us getting it wrong.

Dunn is a plonker.

Not AFL standard.

The forward line now belongs to Watts, Jurrah, Martin, Sylvia etc...

Dunn has no place.

Welcome back, and good to see that you're back onto the Sylvia bandwagon

Link for 2004 AFL Draft (Dunn 15)

http://www.afl.com.au/portals/0/afl_docs/d..._Draft_2004.pdf

Interesting seeing who was selected where and how they have developed.

Names stand out like Buddy, Roughhead, Griffen, Lewis.

Surprise seeing LeCras at 37 (Good pick)

Also should have we selected pick 44 instead of 43, after reading the player comments make you wonder what they were thinking.

Morton (taken at 44) was a father/son selcetion if memory serves me well

Cheers

Morton (taken at 44) was a father/son selcetion if memory serves me well

Cheers

Correct, Morton was never available to us. He was 'rated' above that position at the time anyway.

Bar the top top end, that is an absolutely rubbish draft.

I would love to see Dunn back as a forward. If he continues on in the direction he is currently going, he is heading straight out the door, but he is still young and he does have talent. And i agree that he never should have been moved out of the forwardline, he was quite good down there.

I agree Jarka.

In my opinion Steamin' is right in a way though. The footy department have tried to turn him in to something he's not: an AFL grade footballer.

Agree with Jarka, Nasher and BRFE. They have nailed it on Dunn. The ultimate tweener.

Its unbelievable the blinding veil over some supporters eyes.

TJ is another example of us getting it wrong.

27,

TJ was one of the most clear-cut #1 draft picks in AFL Draft history. Whether we blame his mental shortcomings or our complete inability to develop players, it wasn't so much a poorly used pick as it was a case of post-draft circumstances preventing the MFC from reaping the full benefits of someone we (along with every other club at the time) thought would be an absolute dominator.

As for Dunn, the realistic scenario is that he plays most of the remainder of his career at Casey, and meanders through the few remaining games he has left at Melbourne, not establishing any one position. Ideally, he'd play 6-10 games as a key forward this season, kick a bundle of goals and collect some form of trade value. That scenario sadly coincides with swine making their way through the sky above the MCG.

I'm not even sure what I want out of the rest of the season regarding team selection. Do I want to see players who aren't going to cut it running around (ie. Dunn, Petterd, Bell, Newton and Buckley etc) in the hope that by some miracle their trade value increases from a few used jockstraps to a third round pick? Or do I want to see youngsters who clearly aren't ready for senior football (ie. Watts, Jetta)? I'm not sure if that's a great benefit for them or a dent in their confidence.

Steamin, he was drafted to play as a key forward. He continually demonstrates that he is not a key forward, he plays as a small forward, and not a very good one at that. That's why the club tried to turn him into a midfielder. I hope I'm wrong about him, but it doesn't look good.

Out of interest out of those players you mentioned, Petterd, Martin and Dunn, what exactly is their best position?

Petterd = Small defender that can mark, run and take them on.

Martin = Deep in defense, Taking the third or fourh tall. He is quick, can mark and spoil.

Dunn = Floating half foward flanker that will present all day.

He has been given one half of football this year to play forward and that was against Adelaide and he kicked two goals.

Petterd = Small defender that can mark, run and take them on.

Martin = Deep in defense, Taking the third or fourh tall. He is quick, can mark and spoil.

Dunn = Floating half foward flanker that will present all day.

He has been given one half of football this year to play forward and that was against Adelaide and he kicked two goals.

The problem with those are:

Petterd - We have a plethora of other small defenders who are ahead of him, Grimes & Bennell come to mind

Martin - The third or fourth tall normally plays further up the ground, hardly deep in defence. Unfortunately up the ground he gets exposed with his poor disposal

Dunn - No need to add anymore to the debate here, enough has been said about him

I actually think that Dunn has been banished back to the VFL to learn how to find his own footy, and be a bit more creative with it(mentioned by Germo in a Casey report). He seems to be succeeding in the task so far, and i think will get a recall soon, then it will be up to him to see what he does with it.

It still doesn't make sense to me that we have been playing games without a tagger. You go through all the top teams this year and in recent past years, and they all have at least one decent stopper on their team, and here we are, sitting bottom of the ladder and we are playing none. We went up to the Gabba to face the Lions and not only could we not get the ball ourselves, we have nobody to stop any of their midfielders getting plenty.

Dunn actually did some good shut down jobs last year,but really struggled to have any impact going the other way(like Welsh on Judd last Friday). Which is why i still feel that the grand plan is to have one in our side, and Dunn, whether Demonlanders want him up forward or not, looks to me a best chance to get the role.