South Australia 4.1 11.1 12.5 16.9 (105)

Vic Country 1.4 3.6 4.9 7.12 (54)

GOALS

South Australia: Panos 4, Trengove, Silverlock 3, Carey, Solly 2, Wilson, Tapscott Vic Country: Hooper 3, Cunnington, Astbury, Cowan, Mackenzie

BEST

South Australia: Trengove, Wanganeen, Jolly, Silverlock, Panos, Carey, Potts, Menzel

Vic Country: Cunnington, Astbury, Hooper, Rohan, Peters

Just quietly,

This kid is going to be a VERY imposing forward at AFL level.

From what I've seen of him so far: looks to be like a Kurt Tippett type of athletic tall (only not THAT tall)

Ok genius, considering most draft picks are still growing this list will include players that are listed at 192 and 193cm (besides the fact they could easily grow to 194-195cm or more)

Matthew Scarlett

Tom Harley

Nick Riewoldt

Grant Birchall

Sam Fisher

Chad Cornes

Darren Glass

Matthew Lloyd

Ben Rutten

Matthew Pavlich

Jarryd Roughead

Andrew Mackie

Scott Lucas

Nathan Bock

Jared Brennan

Chris Tarrant

John Anthony

David Mundy

Michael Jamison

Harry Taylor

Paul Bower

Luke McPharlin

Stephen Gilham

Ryan Schoenmakers

Trent Hentschel

Bret Thornton

Ryan Murphy

Nick Maxwell

Prestigiacomo

Alipate Carlisle

Brad Fisher

Tom Lynch

Alex Rance

Jack Riewoldt

Heath Grundy

Jarryd Allen

Andrejs Everitt

Ted Richards

Michael Hurley

Lewis Johnston

Jarrad Grant

Andy Otten

Fevola (191)

Goddard (191)

Hudghton (191)

Which ones would you not take if given the chance?

Or is this just another case of conventional wisdom not necessarily being determined by the actual facts..?

Back in your box, moron

i would only take riewoldt, pavlich, scarlett and chad cornes with a top 2 pick

listing players 191/192cm tall just shows ur stupidity. At the end of the day, if ur around that dodgy height, u will either slide down the draft a few spots, a lot of spots or not get picked up at all.

170-179cm is a height that would be potentially on the too small side, 180-189cm is the ideal height for a midefielder and 190cm-192 is in between. 193-196cm is perfect for key position. 197-199 is also dodgy (not quite ruck and usually too slow for key position, ala kepler bradley) and 200+ is great for ruckmen.

Bate and Dunn is the exact reason u dont pick up players of that height. Half of the players you listed wont make it either so thanks for listing them for me.

I'm done with arguing with a fu%&ing imbecile.

I agree with Enforcer's last post. But don't stop posting Freak, as I often seek out your posts, no matter how nonsensical. It's like watching a train crash, except they just keeping smashing that same train into something else each time.

Also, if Morabito slides (as he very well may) it will have nothing to do with his height - but more due to the issues that Dr Jekyll raises, IMO.

Also, if Morabito slides (as he very well may) it will have nothing to do with his height - but more due to the issues that Dr Jekyll raises, IMO.

I agree - if the kid can play, the kid can play. Regardless of his height.

I see the issue being more about his occasionally casual disposal, from what I have seen.

And to be honest, my picking of Morabito as a chance for number 2 is not so much an endorsement on him, but an indictment on the players that are not Tom Scully, cos none of them stand out to me as being clearly the next best.

Bate and Dunn is the exact reason u dont pick up players of that height (192cm).

But if they have a mole on their left butt cheek, you can pick them up, yeh!?

meh ur the guys that stick by bate, dunn, bell, morton and miller. u have a knack for spotting mediocrity. Disposals is THE MOST important aspect of todays game.

Morabito- no thanks

meh ur the guys that stick by bate, dunn, bell, morton and miller. u have a knack for spotting mediocrity. Disposals is THE MOST important aspect of todays game.

Once again Incorrect. Effective disposals or Disposal Efficiency are one of the most important aspect of todays game. You are both ignorant and naive to think that any player that is 191-192cm in height is mediocre.

Enforcer 25 has put the spotlight squarely on your lack of football knowledge even after being presented with facts with regard to height. But that wasn't the least bit surprising I guess.

meh ur the guys that stick by bate, dunn, bell, morton and miller. u have a knack for spotting mediocrity. Disposals is THE MOST important aspect of todays game.

Morabito- no thanks

Lol, have you even seen him play.

Once again Incorrect. Effective disposals or Disposal Efficiency are one of the most important aspect of todays game. You are both ignorant and naive to think that any player that is 191-192cm in height is mediocre.

Enforcer 25 has put the spotlight squarely on your lack of football knowledge even after being presented with facts with regard to height. But that wasn't the least bit surprising I guess.

Once again incorrect. 'disposals' as the more general term for both kicks and handballs is appropriate as ineffective disposals and effective disposals all comes under the one heading of 'disposals'. so that is that out of the way. At the end of the day, you wouldn't know of all the players playing at local level that were close to being drafted but do to their height being a query didn't get picked up. Just look at Brad Kelleher, TAC cup team of the year. 42 goals for the season. didn't get picked up. Simply because he was under-sozed for a key position. granted he was 189cm..but you get my drift.

Once again incorrect. 'disposals' as the more general term for both kicks and handballs is appropriate as ineffective disposals and effective disposals all comes under the one heading of 'disposals'. so that is that out of the way. At the end of the day, you wouldn't know of all the players playing at local level that were close to being drafted but do to their height being a query didn't get picked up. Just look at Brad Kelleher, TAC cup team of the year. 42 goals for the season. didn't get picked up. Simply because he was under-sozed for a key position. granted he was 189cm..but you get my drift.

... you are aware Morabito isn't a KPP, right..?

Height may be a factor with some of these decisions, but its hardly the deciding factor and if a player carves it up and is being selected on the basis of not being played as a KPP, then his height is largely irrelevant.

I said easier, not easy - it's a relative term.

Fair enough. Using Melbourne as an example it would be pretty easy to construct an argument demonstrating that we're equally shiite at both.

Once again incorrect. 'disposals' as the more general term for both kicks and handballs is appropriate as ineffective disposals and effective disposals all comes under the one heading of 'disposals'. so that is that out of the way.

No. Coaches want effective disposals carried out by members of their team and/or in their game/game plan. Ineffective disposals or otherwise categorised as Critical Errors or Clangers are not wanted, or at the very least want to be kept to a minimum. Yes, they both fall under 'Disposals' as the more general term. However, Effective ones are the more "Important." End of lesson.

At the end of the day, you wouldn't know of all the players playing at local level that were close to being drafted but do to their height being a query didn't get picked up. Just look at Brad Kelleher, TAC cup team of the year. 42 goals for the season. didn't get picked up. Simply because he was under-sozed for a key position. granted he was 189cm..but you get my drift.

Most likely didn't get picked up because another draftee was either preferred and bought more to the table for the particular club(s) or Kelleher didn't meet their needs in terms of quality or complete package. Or by the end of the draft all the places on their lists were full.

If he was something of special quality he may have well got picked up in the draft Freak, regardless of height being 189cm..

In all honesty, I think Morabito will drop down the pecking order - but won't fall outside of the top 10.

While he's athletic, and moves nicely to link up and break the lines .... there's questions on both his kicking, and decision making at times (see his game vs. Peel from earlier this year)

If Melbourne did end up recruiting him - they would have to give him the Andrew Walker makeover, where you have to re-teach him how to kick effectively and increase his spacial awareness on the ground.

He'll either end up a Jarrod Waite - versatile, athletic, running tall

or .. a Patrick Bowden.

But I'm pretty sure he'll make it.

Just quietly,

This kid is going to be a VERY imposing forward at AFL level.

From what I've seen of him so far: looks to be like a Kurt Tippett type of athletic tall (only not THAT tall)

Been keeping an eye on his progess in the champs. I get the feling that he'll be the breakout forward that Lewis Johnston was at last years draft. Wonder if he''s any chance to be around at our 2nd round pick?

Been keeping an eye on his progess in the champs. I get the feling that he'll be the breakout forward that Lewis Johnston was at last years draft. Wonder if he''s any chance to be around at our 2nd round pick?

I like him a lot more than Johnston.

Uses his body better to be more imposing - and stamp out his authority to those around him.

Johnston is very good athletically - and is a supberb kick - however with Panos you get the kick, crash packing, and anger (fiery greek temper lol).

Uses his body very well in one-on-one scenarios also.

Port are keeping a close eye on him - but I suspect he'll still be there at around #17-#25 ish (then again im no shifter sheahan lol)

meh ur the guys that stick by bate, dunn, bell, morton and miller. u have a knack for spotting mediocrity. Disposals is THE MOST important aspect of todays game.

Morabito- no thanks

LOL at Morton being "mediocre." Just quietly Freak you're going to embarrass yourself calling a couple of those guys mediocre. And anyway, I thought you had a man-crush on Dunn? Changed your mind?

Your problem is that you get a big head of steam up as soon as you get an idea in your head. Usually it involves numbers, like possessions, heights, weights etc etc... And sometimes it involves what you "like" to see on the screen when a player is taking a kick.

The thing is, once you decide a layer has a fault, you write them off.

Morabito may fall into a weird non-category with his height, but you're not being realistic by calling it anything more than a "minor fault." Plenty of good players play and are around that height. Plenty of good players grow after being drafted. WHat happens when the rule changes are rung in (and they will be, sure as the sun will come up tomorrow) and suddenly the game makes a shift towards taller mids? Can you be sure it won't happen? It happened to White with rucking, it happened to mids over the last 20 years that seem to have grown steadily (on average).

This kid and others like him may fall into a weird category, but if you get a Judd-like player who's 192 would you write him off? You'd be foolish to. Scully is probably too short, but if he has the chops, then you have to recruit him.

I actually hope we don't go near him... but it has nothing to do with height. This kids action when kicking is one of the worst I've seen at TAC level in a while. It probably could be improved greatly as there's some REALLY simple things he's doing wrong... But he's never going to be Stuey Dew. And truith be told, we don't have any more room for kids that are good at everything EXCEPT kicking.

i would only take riewoldt, pavlich, scarlett and chad cornes with a top 2 pick

listing players 191/192cm tall just shows ur stupidity. At the end of the day, if ur around that dodgy height, u will either slide down the draft a few spots, a lot of spots or not get picked up at all.

170-179cm is a height that would be potentially on the too small side, 180-189cm is the ideal height for a midefielder and 190cm-192 is in between. 193-196cm is perfect for key position. 197-199 is also dodgy (not quite ruck and usually too slow for key position, ala kepler bradley) and 200+ is great for ruckmen.

Bate and Dunn is the exact reason u dont pick up players of that height. Half of the players you listed wont make it either so thanks for listing them for me.

I am sorry for starting this argument and impressed with the list of players you have come up with Enforcer25.

At risk of throwing fuel on the fire can you list their drafted position as well and whether they were a father/son selection so we can all get a better idea of their 'perceived worth' when they were drafted?

Thanks

As I have stated in another post recently. There are exceptions to every rule.

The point I was trying to make is if we are looking for a KPP or marking forward (which I think we should be if we get pick 1 and 2) we need to look tall. We have enough pseudo KP forwards like Robbo, Dunn, Bate, Sylvia, Miller and Newton. Of that lot Miller is the only one that can hold his own in a marking contest against a KP sized backman.

Of the 191-192cm types, there is definitely a place for one or two in every team, but not in a KP.

Also, I have no doubt there is a direct correlation between MFC having one or two decent KPF's in the team and the performances of Robbo, Miller, Bate and Dunn alongside them in recent times.

My concern is where will we be if JW doesn't become that decent KPF we are looking for? We will be left with NO decent KPF.

We shouldn't put all our eggs into 1 basket in the search for a decent KPF. If we have the draft picks and the talent is there TAKE IT, it might be the only chance we get in the next half a decade!!!

Go Dees - Building for the Future (And NOT tanking just 'working to aquire compensation for an AFL sanctioned football landscape designed to make MFC success, and respect, all but impossible'.

great post

i would only take riewoldt, pavlich, scarlett and chad cornes with a top 2 pick

listing players 191/192cm tall just shows ur stupidity. At the end of the day, if ur around that dodgy height, u will either slide down the draft a few spots, a lot of spots or not get picked up at all.

170-179cm is a height that would be potentially on the too small side, 180-189cm is the ideal height for a midefielder and 190cm-192 is in between. 193-196cm is perfect for key position. 197-199 is also dodgy (not quite ruck and usually too slow for key position, ala kepler bradley) and 200+ is great for ruckmen.

Bate and Dunn is the exact reason u dont pick up players of that height. Half of the players you listed wont make it either so thanks for listing them for me.

Kepler Bradley is quick enough for a key position - he's just useless.

How is any height dodgy unless you're a sub-180cm defender (where you can be isolated).

Most of the best backmen are around your supposed dud height, as are a lot of forwards.

According to you Lynden Dunn would be a better player if he was an "ideal height" of 180-189cm. Bullsh*t. He'd have shorter arms so couldn't reach tackles or marking contests as well, and with shorter legs he'd also be slower across the ground and probably couldn't kick as far. The only advantage might be he wouldn't give away as many high tackles.

Fletcher, Franklin, Paddy Ryder are all in your "too slow for key position" as well

freak doesnt know what his talking about

Fevola: 191cm, one of the best full forwards in the comp

Goodes: 195cm, one of the best mids in the comp

It would be ridiculous to pass on a draftee purely because of their height when it doesn't always give an indication as to how they play.

I like him a lot more than Johnston.

Uses his body better to be more imposing - and stamp out his authority to those around him.

Johnston is very good athletically - and is a supberb kick - however with Panos you get the kick, crash packing, and anger (fiery greek temper lol).

Uses his body very well in one-on-one scenarios also.

Port are keeping a close eye on him - but I suspect he'll still be there at around #17-#25 ish (then again im no shifter sheahan lol)

Cheers, thanks for shedding a bit more light. Will have to take a closer look at him at Ettihad.

Ok genius, considering most draft picks are still growing this list will include players that are listed at 192 and 193cm (besides the fact they could easily grow to 194-195cm or more)

Matthew Scarlett

Tom Harley

Nick Riewoldt

Grant Birchall

Sam Fisher

Chad Cornes

Darren Glass

Matthew Lloyd

Ben Rutten

Matthew Pavlich

Jarryd Roughead

Andrew Mackie

Scott Lucas

Nathan Bock

Jared Brennan

Chris Tarrant

John Anthony

David Mundy

Michael Jamison

Harry Taylor

Paul Bower

Luke McPharlin

Stephen Gilham

Ryan Schoenmakers

Trent Hentschel

Bret Thornton

Ryan Murphy

Nick Maxwell

Prestigiacomo

Alipate Carlisle

Brad Fisher

Tom Lynch

Alex Rance

Jack Riewoldt

Heath Grundy

Jarryd Allen

Andrejs Everitt

Ted Richards

Michael Hurley

Lewis Johnston

Jarrad Grant

Andy Otten

Fevola (191)

Goddard (191)

Hudghton (191)

Which ones would you not take if given the chance?

Or is this just another case of conventional wisdom not necessarily being determined by the actual facts..?

Back in your box, moron

CHK CHK BOOM

Great thread guys. Informative and very amusing.

All this debate about the 191,192, 193cm tall players. I'm not sure where I stand on the issue. But I am 192cm tall myself. I am 35, about 95kgs and have a dodgy knee. Can someone tell me what round I can expect to drafted in this year?