I too get frustrated by unrealistic comparisons and if Valenti turns out to be half as good as diesel etc etc. the point is many people had diesel classed as a C grader early on because of his lack of leg speed.

Valenti is a good honest citizen who puts his body on the line. He's hard not to like. What you see is what you get. It won't get much better cos there's nothing special.

Williams was rejected early on by Carlton, but by the time he was Valenti's age he was well established at Geelong and they didn't want to lose him to Sydney.

Our own Brett Lovett captained Hawthorn under 19's but was considered too slow and let go to Melbourne. He also was a fantastic handballer and became a terrific half back flanker. I'm well versed in history and those that made it despite others misgivings.

Valenti is a good honest citizen who puts his body on the line........... It won't get much better cos there's nothing special.

There's nothing special............how can you make that assumption after a handful of games. For me...........its watch this space.

Our own Brett Lovett captained Hawthorn under 19's but was considered too slow and let go to Melbourne. He also was a fantastic handballer and became a terrific half back flanker. I'm well versed in history and those that made it despite others misgivings.

Brett Lovett may have been considered too slow at Hawthorn, but he was definitely not considered slow at Melbourne. During the late 80's, and very early 90's, those at Hawthorn knew they had let a fantastic player slip through their fingers.

What made him such a fantastic footballer was his footy nous with the ball in defence, and many-a-time set up plays with accurate kicking and handballing. He along with the likes of Sean Wight were the engine room of our "defence" (I hate using that term) back then in the late 80's.

There's nothing special............how can you make that assumption after a handful of games. For me...........its watch this space.

Brett Lovett may have been considered too slow at Hawthorn, but he was definitely not considered slow at Melbourne. During the late 80's, and very early 90's, those at Hawthorn knew they had let a fantastic player slip through their fingers.

What made him such a fantastic footballer was his footy nous with the ball in defence, and many-a-time set up plays with accurate kicking and handballing. He along with the likes of Sean Wight were the engine room of our "defence" (I hate using that term) back then in the late 80's.

Two things.

I've seen Valenti numerous times at Sandy and there's nothing special.

Brett Lovett was considered slow. But he made up for it in many ways.

You're not much of a footy observer, are you ?

For me...........its watch this space.

I'm watching.

Hope he finishes the season well and somehow improve his pace and depth kicking over summer.

No reason to jump off.

Excited, may be not. But I love his genuine toughness. And this is what this club needs, specially when you add it to his footy smarts.

I'm guessing you missed the first qtr where he didnt go back with the flight of the ball after having a look? Was a very worrying sign. He really struggles with his disposal often going sideways! But should be played out the year and he hopefilly proves me wrong!!!

valenti should never be compared to harvey. valenti occasionally gets a hard ball.

I'm guessing you missed the first qtr where he didnt go back with the flight of the ball after having a look? Was a very worrying sign. He really struggles with his disposal often going sideways! But should be played out the year and he hopefilly proves me wrong!!!

Didn't see the incident but his role is to stay down and face the contest front and square and get the crumb, not to fly. He is a courageous player on the deck. It would surprise if his decision was to pull out of a contest from fear.

Brett Lovett was considered slow. But he made up for it in many ways.

You're not much of a footy observer, are you ?

Brett Lovett was not slow. He may of looked slow with his big backside, but he was deceptively quicker than other half back flankers of his time. If Brett Lovett was slow, the rest of his teammates and opposition would be considered pedestrian. Don't insult my football intelligence. For I historically have a good knowledge and wealth of experience.

I don't respect your opinion. And please take note of your own advice, before you post your own tripe again.

No disrespect to Shane but he's a battler who'll never be an elite mid, imo.

Not one to have me salivating moving forward.

Have to agree, he's a tad short, Oh, I mean slow.

Don't insult my football intelligence. For I historically have a good knowledge and wealth of experience.

I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge your mistake on the " Greg Williams legspeed" comment.

Dill

Does any1 else see Shane Valenti as a similar player as Brent Havery? If he could build his motor abit I can see him becoming that type of player. I thought Shane was smaller than Brent.

Brent Havery Shane Valenti

Height - 172 cm 176 cm

Weight- 76 kgs 80 Kgs

Dont think he will be that good but I hope so. After the weekends preformance I am starting to see what everyone elses see in him.

I'm guessing you missed the first qtr where he didnt go back with the flight of the ball after having a look? Was a very worrying sign. He really struggles with his disposal often going sideways! But should be played out the year and he hopefilly proves me wrong!!!

He's just following the game plan!

I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge your mistake on the " Greg Williams legspeed" comment.

Dill

....edit - I had to revisit yesterday, cheers.

I know Williams was impeded by leg speed, it was intended to be a joke.....obviously misinterpreted. No comment on the Lovett issue?

He was one of my favourites for the record, and IMO he wasn't slow, he reacted quicker than most of his opponents and was rarely beaten. And he shoved it up Hawthorn a plenty of times too.

PS. There's no need for slagging off.......trolls do that

....edit - I had to revisit yesterday, cheers.

I know Williams was impeded by leg speed, it was intended to be a joke.....obviously misinterpreted. No comment on the Lovett issue?

He was one of my favourites for the record, and IMO he wasn't slow, he reacted quicker than most of his opponents and was rarely beaten. And he shoved it up Hawthorn a plenty of times too.

PS. There's no need for slagging off.......trolls do that

I brought up Brett Lovett cos I was a fan. He had fantastic evasive skills, a great footy brain, and was a beautiful handballer on his left. He was also dumped by Hawthorn because of his lack of legspeed. Did this lack of legspeed hinder his footy ? No, because his smart footy brain and quick swivel of the hips ensured he always got away. But he was slow.

Don't respond again. You bore me.

I brought up Brett Lovett cos I was a fan. He had fantastic evasive skills, a great footy brain, and was a beautiful handballer on his left. He was also dumped by Hawthorn because of his lack of legspeed. Did this lack of legspeed hinder his footy ? No, because his smart footy brain and quick swivel of the hips ensured he always got away. But he was slow.

Don't respond again. You bore me.

My pleasure.

I wonder if the players like each other as much as the fans?

Don't insult my football intelligence. For I historically have a good knowledge and wealth of experience.

You forgot to mention how modest you are.

Not similiar at all!

Harvey a creative type, goalkicker, lots of skill, Valenti a tough goer!

Wishful thinking!

Good player in his own right though!