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Collingwood will not give up 47 +/- high picks for Dunn...they need all the draft points they can get for their father/sons The following comments don't relate to your posts stuie its for the people who put up all sorts of hypothetical pick trades. NOTE: draft points are a sliding scale and read this: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-19/indicative-2016-afl-draft-order ie #28 = 703 points # 47 = 316 points # 57 = 182 points # 59 = 158 points And, hopefully for the last time, a club (with some exceptions) cannot have more draft picks than vacant list spots!! Edit: we can use picks 102 and 120 to upgrade Wagner/Smith.

I hear what everyone is saying about not going to the draft this year which on face value is a fair argument. Getting more young players wasn't why I feel our remaining picks don't give us much to work with. All along, I've thought our biggest need and what I was really hoping for is a backup for Max in this trade period who is ready to play in 2017. I was not expecting using #29 at the draft to deliver this. My remaining hope for a ruck/forward type is someone who becomes a DFA that we can pick up for zip. Will be quite disappointed if we go into 2017 without a real Max backup (and not just Watts or Pedersen who ruck while Max is resting)!

Hibberd + #59 for #29 and #68 As it stands our picks are 57, 59, 84, 102, 120 Can't say that is a good outcome. ok for upgrading rookies but not much else

True. But, our 2016 #26 was pushed out to #29 because of AFL allocated picks. Not many FA's to command similar picks in 2017 or a pp, so if we are just inside the 8 our 2017 2nd rnd pick will still be around pick #29. Just outside the 8 it is even better. MFC have worked very hard to keep # 29 presumably for a reason (other than playing hardball) so I hope they don't give up now. EFC must trade Hibberd out as they do not have the salary cap and next year he will be out of contract so their bargaining power then goes down a bit.

Awesome if true - we stared down Essendon down! Dodoro blinked first, for a change! tbh I wouldn't care whether it was year or next year 2nd rnd but its good to not let them 'win'!!

Maybe, if Ess are hearing the scuttlebut about Rockcliff and Lewis they might be getting worried they will have to keep Hibberd, after all he said he is happy to stay. Ess had better hurry up and accept our offer - or it might be gone or diluted by the time trade period is over. Let them sweat, I say - they have no leaverage at all.

Gil washed his hands of it six months ago: http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/teams/essendon/afl-boss-gillon-mclachlan-says-jobe-watsons-2012-brownlow-presents-afl-commission-with-its-most-difficult-decision-ever/news-story/f31c498b2bc4d7546ac6228df0f7a30c Gil says: “I’ve made it clear to a number of people that I would not sit on that decision. Hopefully no one will think I’m trying to shirk that dreadful responsibility, but because to perform my function as the CEO in the lead-up and during I need to have conversations that would look like I wouldn’t necessarily come in with clean hands.” What else would we think! He is just totally incapable of making a decision and a strong need to be the 'good guy' and has hand balled it to the Commission. No respect at all for him.

I think we can all come up with alternative scenarios but that wasn't what your earlier posts said. No I don't think we would say it is next years 2nd round or it doesn't happen, nor did I say anything of the sort. I wasn't doubting you or the club Saty, just asking for clarification on the 2nd alternative as you mentioned it in several posts and it sounded like you knew of 2 specific offers on the table.

Saty, what are the two alternatives. We have offered next year's 2nd round pick. Did I miss the other offer?

Sadly, it looks like there is not much interest in Jack Grimes at this stage. http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-10-06/shattered-grimes-not-giving-up-afl-career-yet Its interesting that Jack made these comments: "I know that if I get the opportunity, I am the sort of person who will have a 100 per cent crack and put absolutely everything into it." and "I still do feel, moving forward, that I have a bit to offer. I feel confident in my own game and ability and know I have a lot of improvement left in me." I'm not sure he realises that effort isn't enough; skills count, playing the team game counts and most clubs will put their development resources into a youngster rather than improving a 27 yo. Hope his manager gives him another narrative and promotes him properly to other clubs. Despite being fairly shattered there is no hint of criticism of the club. Integrity plus, Jack.

The rules around the different rookie categories are the same: 1 or 2 or 3 years on the rookie list then either promoted to main list or delisted. A player can't move from one rookie category to another. Wondering if the bigfooty guy being quoted as the source meant Wagner is staying rather than Mitchie? Goodwin said recently that when Melksham comes in he will probably spend time on the wing as Wagner and Hunt have done so well this year. So would expect Wagner to stay either as a rookie again or promoted to the main list.

The mfc release said the 3 players will not be offered a contract. Trades can still happen eg Fitzy last year, for a nominal pick. Clubs can also take Jack as an FA for free. Not sure if we get an AFL allocated comp pick...I doubt it. Their delisting will only happen if neither of those things occur. Even then they can get to anorher club as DFA, as we did with Newton. It is now up to their managers to find them a new hope. By telling the players today they have the maximum amount of time to gond a new club.

Club website: "THE MELBOURNE Football Club has today advised Jack Grimes, Matt Jones and Dean Terlich that they will not be offered playing contracts for the 2017 season". Melbourne makes first list changes Really surprised at the loss of Matt Jones. All the best to all three players: they wore the red and blue with pride.

I did a bit of checking on HL's contract and I think it is a 3 year deal (ie OOC 2017) with an 'optional' year for 2018. I'm guessing this is like the Cloke, Bartell contracts where the 'optional' year is based on certain triggers. Unless, H retires (and there is no indication of that) I can't see him being delisted.

Many players are have nominated the club they want to go to. Hibberd requested a trade weeks ago but yet to nominate a club (us). Goodwin was non-committal about it in his interview the other day. It seems to me that when a player nominates a club, usually the trade is agreed in principle. Anyone know what the nominating a club, hold up is?

No longer a demon but wanted to acknowledge Jamie Bennell who has been delisted by the Eagles after 93 games for the two teams: http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-12/eagles-delist-six-after-early-finals-exit A nice pic of him in his Demons jumper in that article. His instagram message: "Thanks to these two clubs for giving me the opportunity to play at the highest level and live out a childhood dream. #plentyoffootyleft". He is all class! Good luck with the next venture.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2016-09-07/trade-state-of-play-what-moves-will-your-club-make-in-the-offseason?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=RSS+feed%3A+AFL+Latest+News RE Brisbane: Who are they targeting? Although not outwardly chasing names at this stage, the Lions are desperate for key defenders to bolster a weak part of the ground. Don't be surprised if they hunt the likes of Eric Mackenzie, Colin Garland, Lynden Dunn or even throw a lifeline to discarded Kangaroo Michael Firrito to help their youngsters for a season or two. They may have got Garland and Dunn's names from Demonland... If they were targetted by Brisbane, whether they agree to move their families interstate to a club with its own mental scars and stuck at the bottom of the ladder (again) is another matter entirely.

Abe, seriously? For someone they are keen to off load because they have given his sal cap to other players? So you really think we need to give up our 3rd round pick as well to get back their crappy 4th rnd pick? Surely they have no leverage here and if we do that deal we are bending over.

Welcome back. Kudos to you for fronting up again. Thanks for earlier info you gave us on the EFC players. Tip: post on other threads as well.

Good news. Thanks for the reassurance. I think I let my loathing and distrust of everything EFC does cloud my thinking! Edit: Just noticed GCS have picks: 21,23,24,27 in rnd 2. Given they will have at least 3 top 10 picks they may be willing to trade away one the early rnd 2 picks especially as they will want draft points rather than draft picks. eg if Grimes goes as an FA we might get a 3rd rnd compo pick which can go to GCS with some later picks (or other such combo's) for one of 21,23,24.

I fear that as well! It just sickens me that we would help them climb the ladder by being muscled into overpaying for their players. And at some point we need to take a stand or we will forever be done over on trade deals.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/melbourne-demons-will-ramp-up-michael-hibberd-interest-at-end-of-season-20160821-gqxvmj.html Not to sure what to make of this: "Goodwin... said it was too early to say Hibberd would wind up under his purview once more...He hasn't made the decision where he wants to go yet...We'll have those discussions at the end of the year...If he fits and he wants to come and wants to be a part of it, he'd be a good asset." I'm glad Goodwin's comment is non-committal as I smell a rat! I reckon Paul Connors advised Hibberd to not nominate a club so he can involve another club and force us to offer a higher trade to EFC than we want. (Connors did a deal with EFC to not take his players away as DFA's). I heard Lloyd say yesterday (because we paid 23 for Melksham) Hibberd is worth pick 20, effectively a 1st rnd pick (aft Academy player picks). I'm expecting all the Ess media fan boys to trot out the same line, again with the intent to force our hand to offer a higher trade than we want. They know we overpaid for Melksham last year and are trying to strong-arm us into the same for Hibberd. The pressure is building. Stay strong Dees - 'Take It Or Leave It' has to be our stand!

That has to be rubbish. We do not have any player on $700k and for Hibbered to come in anywhere near that is an insult to our whole team! Just can't imagine Mahoney and co agreeing to that when they have worked so hard to 'pay what a player is worth'. If we have offered that, it makes a mockery of our paying 'what a player is worth' policy. Total loss of cred with the players would result and the likes of Tom Mc would have every reason to be might pi--ed off.

Yes, it seems like there is a mutiny of sorts. With Ballantyne considering a transfer to any club even the arch enemy, Eagles it sounds serious. Pavlich was probably the glue that held players together. Lose him and the cracks start to appear. Add Ross's (reported) iron fisted style and trouble brews. Lyons is not a 'rebuild' coach, nor is he a developer of people (eg assistant coaches). Many people think they will do a 'Phoenix' like the Eagles and Pies, instead they may be wallowing at the bottom of the ladder for a while. Ross is talking up their new $100m sporting facility and cashed up sponsors but they don't mean much if players don't play for their coach. Fyfe is pretty smart he may have just seen the writing on the wall!

Comments form Jack: Club went into game trying to prove ourselves against the Hawkes but we still have plenty to prove (over next 3 weeks). He had Max have great chemistry and know what they are going to do before they do it. Changes in Jack W: he was always being positive around the club, has always worked hard. Has gone to another level. Doing a lot of work helping young players. Players love his positivity. Even contribution over the field but good to see leaders stand up. Fan of Pokemon Go. Nothing especially new but love seeing him represent our club so well and with such pride. ...and commentators think Max is a lock for (official) AA.