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Ok, suggested. Even suggesting Viney's evidence is 'nonsense' makes it difficult for the Tribunal to take Viney's word as was proposed in the post I was responding to From AFL report: 2 hours ago SERIOUS MISCONDUCT AFL counsel Jeff Gleeson describes Viney's offence as the pinning of the opponent to the ground and pressing and holding his elbow into the neck/throat region for a prolonged period of about five seconds with force. Whichever way people spin it, Anderson should have checked if his interpretation re the jaw was correct before Viney put in a plea not at the time the penalty was to be decided.

I believe, the specific charge was outlined at the beginning of the hearing.

Hard to do when Gleeson told the Tribunal to treat Viney's evidence as 'nonsense'. Based on the AFL website, Gleeson is almost saying Viney is lying: On Viney's evidence that contact was to the jaw, he says: "You'll have no difficulty rejecting that submission when you look at the evidence ... he's given evidence that is flatly inconsistent with what he knew he did." Bit of a stretch by a leagle eagle.

Not the point I was making. legal counsel would surely know before his client pleads guilty or otherwise what the charge actually is. My point was how could our legal counsel let the hearing get all the way to the penalty stage without knowing what Jack pleaded guilty to. What did Anderson think 'serious misconduct' meant a light touch to the jaw! If so it would never have got to the Tribunal.

Can't believe Anderson had him plead guilty to a 'serious misconduct' charge without knowing/checking the nature of the conduct. It was clear at the start of the hearing it was about elbow contact and force to the throat and neck region. He gets to the point of penalty the penny drops the charge is more serious than he thought, withdraws the guilty plea and tries to renegotiate the charge down to contact to the jaw. Amateur hour by Anderson.

At least Jack recognises he was out of line. Did he apologise before or after the MRO charge? If before, all kudos to Jack and it will surely help his cause. If after, too little too late, it smacks of insincerity and a ploy for the Tribunal hearing. That may not go down so well.

That is what I mean - they invoke it when it suits them. The difference is those others were classified as 'careless' (well disguised by Buddy, Selwood etc) as they were in play, sort of and luck was going there way on the day. See my prior post - I think it is too late for a fine. It is thrown out or he gets week(s).

Not sure why Viney was in such a huff. Yes he should have received a free because Collins 'took his legs out'. Frees are missed a dozen times a game. Over reaction by our VC. As I understand the 'straight to Tribunal rules' he gets weeks or it is thrown out. Fines don't come into it do they?

Unfortunately, they will invoke the 'potential to cause injury'' rule that they pull out whenever they want a certain outcome. Difficult to argue against as it is impossible to prove what didn't and may never happen. They don't use logic ie they don't use 'probability'.

Collingwood.

Which video do you see? Collins looked lifeless to me for the 5 seconds Viney had him pinned down by the neck.

It seems so. Charged with 'serious misconduct'. iirc being sent straight to the Tribunal means a suspension - just a matter of how many weeks. Of course the club can appeal any suspension. It looked unprompted. Jack had his elbow pushed into the kids neck for about 5 seconds. And it was off the ball. Will be lucky to play Monday night.

Wonderful! You have made my day!

Thanks. I understand the club's predicament and the need to wait for gov't announcements. I just didn't share the excitement today and felt I needed to explain why. Re the AAMI park extension. Do you know if it will bring our football and admin staff together rather than be split between AFMI and MCG and if the new facilities will be connected in some way to Gosch so that they don't have to lug gear back and forth? I ask as past announcements by the Board have included these as deliverables.. I just hope that our goals aren't being watered down.

Coaches split: 5 and 4 Petracca/Oliver 3 and 3 Gawn 2 and 1 Jackson/Lever Very consistent voting by the two coahces this week. Oliver on 101 has a handy lead over Bontempelli who is on 94. Nice to see Jackson among the votes from both coaches. His performance justifies the confidence Goodwin showed in him in his previous press conf.

This is the only article I could find on mfc website gosch-s-paddock-to-undergo-redevelopment It talks only to the ground itself not to any other aspects of our Long Term Home for all staff and comparable training facilities. I'm getting very repetitive so will stop posting on this.

Like you I'm not all that interested in social facilities but the training and staffing facilities interest me a lot.

I believe they are required to quarantine at home for 14 days, except training and games. Last week a Freo coach was stood down for leaving home several times last week.

Thank you. The club didn't announce a new facility as Tom Browne forecast. And while I appreciate the reporting by @Gougaand @daisycutter, if correct why wouldn't the club say such. Happily to await more info from the club to say it is more than a bigger paddock.

Seriously? I can't see how a bigger paddock helps us catch up on all the clubs with massive facilities, many of which are planning government funded expansions. A bigger oval is barely a fraction of the New Facilities the club has been talking about for the last 4-5 years. At least give us a time line to deliver the rest but to leave it at 'a slightly bigger Gosch', is underwhelming.

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The article didn't say but I assumed 6/7/8 August. Either way we can get to see Adelaide game at the G.

Well I hope the rest of the adult population is as diligent as your good self, od. The Qld CHO is not softening her stance on AZ and 'younger' people. Terrible advice without context on risks for and against ,especially as the ATAGI is supporting it in NSW because risks have increased. Terrible leadership. Comes across as having drawn a line she (rather stubbornly in my book) is going to stick to it. She only needs to look across the border at the number of under 60 yo who have died or are in hospital.

Wondering where you saw that info? Unless I've missed something, our staff will still be spit between AAMI (football) and the MCG (admin) , no change in our training facilities in the near future and our coaching and support staff will still need to lug all the equipment across Swan Street and back again. The improved training Pert talks about seems to be about drills etc. I would be more excited if there was a time line for when the elements you mention will be achieved, not just a bigger oval but not MCG width. Sorry to put a bit of a dampener on this news but until the overall plan is spelt out with a timeline this is a bit 'meh'.

From The AGE: "Martin Pakula, speaking to reporters this morning, said Premier Daniel Andrews had already indicated the grand final would be played in Victoria at the MCG.... “There’s a lot of work to do. We’ve got effectively about eight weeks ’til the grand final now … so we’ve got a little bit of time, but it’s creeping up on us.” He said it was safe to predict that the crowd measures at AFL games going forward would be “different” than it was previously, but “it is possible” crowds will return next weekend."