Norm Smith's Curse

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Yeah Ive heard this but different versions ranging from Max telling Goodwin to let Jackson stay out there as he was already going well, Gawn talking Goodwin into allowing Jackson to start and your version.

Trades post flag: 2022: - Bedford out for pick 44 - Jackson out for pick swap and pick 13 - Weids out for pick 37 - Grundy in for pick 27 - Hunter and Schache in for 3rd and 4th rounders. = lost a small forward, a forward and a tall ruck/forward, gained an aged winger and some decent picks 2023: - Jordan out as free agent - Harmes out for third rounder - Brayshaw out retired - Grundy out for pick 46 - Fullarton in for pick 47 - McAdam in for a second rounder - Billings in for a third rounder = lost three midfielders and Brayshaw's linking up role from the back half. Gained a ruck who does not seem likely to make it, a forward who hasnt shown much at all so far and a depth player that is a downgrade on Jordan or Harmes.

So you are saying that Goodwin did not want Jackwon to replace Gawn in the third quarter? Has that been confirmed and verified?

I still dont agree Im afraid. Our forward 50 in 2020 and 2021 wasnt mediocre as it had Ben Brown who was still playing reasonable well and TMAC was also playing quite well in those years. Both Brown and Tmac kicked less than half the goals they kicked in 2021 in 2022 and beyond. Jackson was also a factor when he moved up forward. I feel that Jackson was actually a massive loss that we never really replaced. Because he was a utility he could move to many positions/roles and Grundy was never that. Id argue that the weakness such as the forward 50 became more apparent in 2022 because BB and Tmac were getting on and we didnt have any replacements. And now we lose Brayshaw after trading out Harmes and Jordan.

I'd like to see the same list management savviness that got us to 2021 and if we head into 2025 relying on the same players it's over. But heck, ask a saints supporter if they would take one premiership in their lifetime? Two would have just shown it wasn't a flash in the pan

My take is we did everything right to build a list capable of winning flags - great trades, great drafting. But the after the flag because the flag bought a release of pressure we made some list management mistakes and had some bad luck and suddenly we have May and Gawn the wrong side of thirty and Viney, Clarie and Trac getting on as well. We lost the talent of Jackson, Brayshaw, lost depth in Harmes and Jordan and we brought in players that were never going to be more than depth in recent times. The window is over unless there are dramatic changes in trade period. We are relying on veterans.

Nice trolling but we were as dominant via nearly every stat as the Bombers were in 2000 and had to do it while living in COVID bubbles away from home. I'd argue that no premiership in the last ten years was as deserved on in season form and performance. The real argument is why we were not able to capitalise on that list more than once.

My take is we give him another year and this trade period is paramount. He got us a premiership but you could argue blind Freddy could have coached that list to a premiership. But we need to replace the talent of Brayshaw, Jackson and shoukd have kept Grundy for mine.

Well the umpires did gift them a finals series on unpaid frees so...

Maybe im an outlier here but despite being a quality player if his commentary insights are anything to go by Id pass.

I actually had to triple check the date of this post.

Langdon says hi. But agree.

Sure but we could have rookied a VFL ruck and had a better outcome.

English to the dees would be a win for mine. Probably more exciting than some of the other prospects. High profile trades like Langdon, et al added real quality to our list. Mor recent trade acquisitions seem to be bargain basement raids.

Sorry but if the answer is Fullarton, Billings and Schache then the wrong question is being asked. Hunter probably in similar category.

I suspect he looked a lot better in a team of jets in career best form.

I dream of us pulling a RIchmond style Caddy and Prestia but I doubt there is the talent available.

Most insane thing Ive heard in a while. JVR has shown he can get there. Max reminds me of Weids.

I also noticed this.

Does ANB get more time in the middle? Has speed.

In some weird way, somehow MFC are the real villains of an injury one of our players sustained due to someone else's knee. The story isnt the knee being lifted when attempting to spoil for no obvious reason (or maybe...), or that in the last two games against Collingwood one of our players has sustained catastrophic injuries, the story is that somehow MFC are at fault for not overruling a player's urge to go back on the ground. That being said most of these media outrages are just tame distractions from a sychophantic brigade that would be too scared to say anything controversial.

Can I just say that the bloke here who broke the Taylor Adams to Sydney rumour two weeks before the media deserves some credit. Keep them coming! .

Couple of things mentioned on trade radio this am on the commute: Concerns that with the deal to Naughton and then English that they might not be able to keep ammara Ugle-Hagan. Beast Mode Angry Phil Read version 2 - Rhys Matheison may also be looking for new opportunities. I know he can attack people but is he fast? kick?

If we can use JVR et al as backup rucks and we have Schache in reserve as an early signing surely Lobb is totally off the radar? Any interest in Haines at all? GWS are shopping hard.