Undeeterred

No. He is a key player, whether you like it or not. Right now.

It's pure confirmation bias. Nobody notices the absolutely brilliant things he does, or his reasonably frequent excellent kicks that get a player out on the run, or his consistently excellent marking and spoiling. But as soon as he makes an error, every peanut in the crowd sees only that.

I'd question whether you did. He absolutely did his job.

That's not even close to what he was suggesting.

Lot of complete idiots on this thread.

Brilliant. Top points for hilarity.

Yep, you're absolutely right. It was Hogan over his head to Watts, and Dawes over the top to Garlett. My mistake, and bad recollection. Still think Spencer gives us absolutely nothing up forward.

Who would you replace him with? Give reasons.

Spencer wouldn't be able to handball out of a pack, over his head, to Watts running into an open goal, that's for sure.

Recognise that (1) there is no easy solution, (2) Dawes had one fairly average game, is often at least serviceable and does what we need him to do (3) we will just need to suck it up and wait for his replacements to come through and (4) Trengove ain't the answer.

Think we're in agreement about the problem, just not the solution

Sorry, but if you saw yesterday's game live, you'd realise that the absolute last thing we need is even fewer targets in the forward line to kick to. Now, we might need better, but we don't need fewer. We have Kennedy, Harmes, Kent, van den Berg and Garlett running around crumbing in the forward line. Trengove doesn't add a thing to that mix.

Why the need to start an entire thread with the sole purpose of hanging [censored] on a player? It's mind numbing. Talk about this in the post-match, or the contracts thread, or any of the other threads that exist to talk about what might happen to players post-season. But it's not great to push this barrow that you've already done to death on the post-match thread, knowing that it will generate lots of bandwagon vitriol from the rest of the forum.

And? My point stands.

Give it a rest, Christ.

Fair enough. I don't think they'll bring in Oliver or Brayshaw on the basis of being 'fresh'. They might bring them in because they make the team better, but the current coaching team seems to think that, say a Harmes or Kennedy type on a six day break is better than an ANB, Michie or Newton type coming off a VFL game. Just seems to be what they are thinking. Admitting selection mistakes in the media is far more palatable than admitting the players you've got waiting to come in aren't good enough, it seems to me.

Wagner is out for a month, people.

Some of these suggested changes are nuts. Trengove is not a like for like for Dawes and no way that change gets made. Harmes/Kennedy/Kent all played really good games yesterday. Harmes was down back for a good part of the day and actually looked really good. Kent attacked the ball and provided run. He also played the role of storming off the back of the square and collecting a hand off on the way through and, when it worked, it looked really dangerous. Kennedy cracked in all day and was good. A couple of missed shots are no reason to drop him. I'd be surprised if there were many changes, really. Nobody stands out in the VFL, other than Grimes, and it will only be a question of whether they want to get in any of Brayshaw, Oliver or Lumumba. I doubt they will.

Oh, of course. I was being a little bit facetious, but agree that he will know exactly what's going on. While his form is good, they probably see him as a safe pair of hands in the event of a late change, but not really good enough to give him a game consistently, or even at all.

Not sure it is doing his confidence much good to be constantly getting 25 touches and seeing almost every other candidate for a promotion go up past him. They're holding him back just long enough for his form to tail off (because he surely can't stay in good form the entire season) then they won't have to put him in, because his 'form doesn's justify it'

The problem was that Adelaide pushed back really hard, and we didn't have anyone to kick to. So many peanuts on the MCC wing were screaming 'just kick it', then when we did, it often went straight down the Adelaide players throat because they were 5 on 3, or 4 on 2. And Jesse Hogan wasn't working hard enough to get in front. Too often when that kick came, he was sitting too far back from the kicker, on his heels, not providing that target,

I'd love Lumumba to go back to the roll Hunt is playing now (which is Lumumba's role) and for Hunt to roll through the midfield. I think he's the speed we need on the outside, that we're hoping Billy Stretch and Matt Jones would be. A nice clean handpass from Dom Tyson or Nate Jones, and he'd be off. That goal today where he took off on Jenkins and was inside 40 in a heartbeat was just sensational.

Spot on.

Well, at least we aren't Richmond.

Pretty massive article this week with extensive quotes from his manager. Still, as usual olisik drawing a long bow.