Undeeterred

Yet, here you are....

Hope so! Maybe looked worse in slow mo.

He did take a bit of a wind up, unfortunately. Wasn't really just shrugging him off - it was a very frustrated, pre-mediated high elbow to the head.

I thought he had a real crack today, but seems to run himself into pressure a lot. That was sort of the order of the day though, as after the first quarter their pressure around the ball was enormous.

And there it finally is, after about a million posts. We finally get the admission that some combination of Bugg, ANB, Newton and Michie coming in for some combination of outs (I think on the GD thread it was Vince and Kennedy for starters) would have got us a win. Just first grade nonsense, Stuie.

What they do have is a core team of leaders who are overseeing the transition to the next generation. I think what he means is that Riewoldt, Montagna, Gilbert etc are true leaders for the young kids, where we just don't have the equivalent leaders to show the young kids coming through how to be successful.

He's a free agent, for the millionth time. I've been an unabashed fan, but today was it. Such a shame. He failed to kill the ball too many times in defence, which led to at least two goals that I can think of. Just not strong or fast enough.

Show me where I said you did. We could do this all day mate.

I think that runs too far the other way. I actually don't think Jones is that strong a leader. He certainly frequently goes missing when we need him most. The thread might bug people, but it's a legitimate discussion to have. Having said that, we're definitely not ready to have Viney take over yet.

People are just highlighting the silliness you are propounding.

See, Stu, this is where your ludicrous argument ends up. Ludicrous.

Which changes would you have made? Name some specific players, instead of just blaming the selectors on principle.

Name your changes Stu. Humour me - seriously give me however many names you want and then we can discuss what difference that would have made.

Grimes just not good enough there.

Just no composure when the heat is on.

We are the dumbest team in football.

72-62 jane

Why the hell were we facking around like that 30 seconds out? Surely Viney could have turned and banged it long - he had way more space than he realised. Nobody talking, and the ball carrier with little awareness a couple of times there

Oh, Gus. Just have to be more aware than that.

Amazing what happens when some leaders stand up.

Sure mate. Zinger.

Oh Jesus Stu.

And Hogan keeps his record as missing fairly easy shots when we desperately need one.

LOL. Nathan Jones, in his career, is 2-41 against St Kilda, North and Hawthorn.

If it makes you feel better mate. Here it is for you in one sentence: Tired or not, no changes that you can name would make a shred of difference to this result.