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I agree on the 'look' but were we looking that closely? Seems to me we were taken aback by how well they started playing. But let's not forget Dr Ageless was also involved down there and therefore the connection (by default) to Dank. Nothing will ever come of it though. Because no one will ever spill the beans - they'd be incriminating themselves and whoever does that rjay?

I reckon soccer has it right in their sport - you come off you stay off except where a player might need a few minutes attention on the sidelines. And they have 7 substitutes where only 3 can be used. Putting aside my 'Ambit' claim and then seeing an ideal solution I'd say 10-20 rotations (max) per team and 8 on the bench with a maximum of 5 or 6 being used. But 18 a side is still too many - these days. The players are ultra fit as opposed to how things were in the past so we'd still see too much congestion with limited rotations enacted. Others could easily see it differently as we're talking about a lot of unknowns. And not too many known unknowns.

Obviously. I was only referencing soccer not League or Union with regards to increased congestion. And because we don't have an offside rule it's all the more reason to not have interchange. But soccer would have a congestion issue within the midfield if teams were allowed 90 rotations each. That stands to reason. I don't understand why people defend rotations ... the original reason for having the interchange was so that players who had to briefly leave the field were then able to come back on. Not to be exploited in the way that it has (by the coaches) My call is an ambit claim - I know the rotations are never going to be brought down to zero but it would be my starting point. And if people enjoy watching the new version of footy, so be it. I can't say I care for it in its present form.

The solution is to scrap the interchange - rotations hasn't added to the spectacle, it's made the game more congested outlined by many posters previously in this thread. I'd also bring the numbers down to 16 a side and if that doesn't work 15. We won't need zones or lines if that happened. Soccer & Union has no interchange and neither of those sports needs interchange because of the amount of subs on the bench. Rugby League has 8 or 10 rotations per team per game which is a negligible amount. Imagine if soccer did have 90 rotations per team? That sport would turn into an unholy mess. The complaints about the state of the game is a more recent one ... I don't ever remember anyone complaining about the spectacle to any great degree until about the mid 2000's. Old, young or otherwise. And the 'oldies' loved the sport in the 70's, 80's & 90's. Not a murmur of protest. And no other sport receives anywhere near the same criticisms from its own fans. Let's face it ... the sport took on a different look in the mid 2000's. Positional play is a thing of the past yet many don't seem to mind. The counter attack is exciting but the rest of it is hundreds of short passes together with hundreds of uncontested marks mixed in with 36 footballers all scrambling for the ball in one 6th of the ground. If that floats your boat, so be it. No other sport has gone about so much change and it's the coaches who have changed the sport while the custodians (the AFL) have stood by and let them do it. And because of all the congestion & the press, the flooding and now the 'Squash', the game is even harder to umpire than it ever was. Like all systems that break down or are flawed to begin with, we tend to blame the ass-end of the problem. The fish rots at the head was never more apt. I don't envisage any change though ... whilst the money keeps rolling in and the crowds and TV viewers are high why change? The AFL will only act if the droves turn away. But most footy fans are totally addicted to the sport - the spectacle and the aesthetics aren't top of the list.

Here are the 4 Group 1's from Sunday (Japan & Sha Tin) ...

Found another race (Hollindale St.) this upcoming Saturday that could be a decent trifecta race - and it's a good field assembled too if the early acceptors are any indication. In fact, all 3 races have a number of very good horses that have been accepted. So 3 races in all that could suit although there may be 1 or 2 other races that might measure up. A.D. Hollindale Stakes Gold Coast 1800m G2 WFA $358k Australasian Oaks Morphettville 2000m G1 SW $500k Robert Sangster Stakes 1200m G1 WFA $1Million Trifecta Strike Rate 2: 1 - 1 (+66.50)

That was a blow out ... Pakistan Star dominant.

No Wadda, but that doesn't surprise. The small fields and the truly run races lends itself to the obviously good horses getting into the finish. But if 1 or 2 of the 3 top fancies don't figure in the finish there are some good dividends to be had. Trifectas at Sha Tin in the Group races have an 'each-way' feel about them ... I don't miss very often but the dividends can also often be 'money-back' or thereabouts. I see it as more of a percentage play hoping that my 4th & 5th picks can get into the finish (in a 3-5-5 trifecta) I also box the first 3 picks as that combo does salute on more than the odd occasion. 2-4-4 is another option that can reward.

Yeah ... 150% here but like the Demons, we'll take any win Wadda!

And Ivictory was up to it ... stunned Mr Stunning & clocked Beat the Clock! A star is born ... that was a seriously good win.

Aren't the races from Sha Tin on the free-to-air channel?

Well I got my days total outlay back on the 4th race Trifecta ... % only but I'm now playing with house money with bets already laid. I should just bet at Sha Tin and have the odd flutter in the local races here in Australia (Group 1's) Not every week but there's usually 2 or 3 good trifecta races on up there most weeks. Beauty Generation won with real class in the just completed G1 Mile ... just missed on the trifecta but 2 races to go Wadda. The Sprint race is up next. Lets see how good this Ivictory is up against Mr Stunning & Beat the Clock. It would want to be good to beat those 2.

Demons get a win! ... albeit against average opposition. Still, there are a stack of average sides in the league. And the good teams aren't that good. Anyway, what was that line out of 'Hotel California'? "You can check out anytime you like, but you can never leave!" Next Weekend's Group 1's (Overseas) USA Kentucky Derby 2000m 3yo SW (Sunday Morning) USA Woodford Reserve Turf Classic 1800m WFA(Sunday Morning) UK Newmarket 2000 Guineas 1600m 3yo SW(Sunday Morning) UK Newmarket 1000 Guineas 1600m 3yo Fillies SW (Monday Morning)

Here are the early odds for the 2 Group 1's next Saturday at Morphettville ... a much better choice for our trifecta type race in my opinion. The fields will no doubt be reduced although 20 horses did run in the G1 Sprint last year whilst only 14 ran in the 2017 G1 Australasian Oaks ...

I'm not sure I want to mozz them Wadda but I'll post up my 3 possible winners in each of the 3 Group 1 races - they are all quite obvious but I always hope for my 3rd fancied runner to win (highlighted) I'll add a couple of placegetters and box the 3 first choice runners in each race in a separate bet ...to stave off punters lament. Race 6 - Beauty Generation, Season's Bloom, Singapore Sling Race 7 - Mr Stunning, Beat the Clock, Ivictory Race 8 - Ping Hai Star, Time Warp, Al Ain

Leather & Lace got up for 3rd ... the winner too good (one of the 'other' Weir horses) I've had a couple of ok collects today but my main aim was always Sha Tin tomorrow. Quietly confident of getting a few reasonable returns if things fall my way.

Nice dividend too Wadda - well done! It was a tricky race but we nearly got it ... 1st, 2nd & 4th is always the worst possible outcome. Mister Sea Wolf was never in it whilst we probably all looked at McCreery. Well you did anyway ?

Sedanzer had a dream run and had clear air but ... needed the run. Isn't hindsight a wonderful aid?

Excellent choices there DZ ... the right configuration of our picks could pay reasonably well. Here it is in full. Hawkesbury Race 7 The Hawkesury Cup ... W/2/3 ... No.2 Equador W/2/3 ... No.6 Mister Sea Wolf W/2/3 ... No.7 Kingsguard 2/3 ........ No.3 Duca Valentinois 2/3 ........ No.11 Plaisir

So our trifecta (Hawkesbury Race 7) reads as ... W/2/3 ... No.2 Equador W/2/3 ... No.6 Mister Sea Wolf W/2/3 ... No.7 Kingsguard 2/3 ........ ????????????? 2/3 ........ ????????????? Over to you @Dee Zephyr to close the deal.

Safari JJ's tips are up on Racing.com (click on 'Tips' - above right)

I much prefer your summation Wadda ... it's all about the money and you offer better odds!

So our 3 best bets are ... Hawkesbury Race 6 No.10 Sedanzer (4.60) Caulfield Race 5 No.3 William Thomas (3.20) Caulfield Race 6 No.1 Sunset Watch (1.95) That's a tidy 28-1 right there. Best Bet Strike Rate 44: 20 - 9 - 2

Ping Hai Star is going to be hard to beat but 'Time Warp' is a proven Group 1 performer & the Japanese runner 'Al Ain' could be thereabouts as well. And who knows with 'Pakistan Star'? All 3 big races have a number of top performers engaged.

You could give Ladbrokes a call Wadda but Day/Ruffles have blown out in the odds anyway ... the other 3 picks have more relevance and you could add-on to the 3 picks or delete 1 or 2 that don't your fancy. I got 17-1 (boosted) for the 3 picks at Ladbrokes and I'm happy with that.