Macca

Chiefs all over them!! Been great after half time

Wow!! It's all happening! That could have easily been deemed a catch

I don't normally take much notice of bad calls but to my eyes, he well and truly controlled the ball before stepping out of bounds Going the be interesting to see how Mahomes goes in the 2nd half. As Jimmy Johnson said, he needs his legs to be an overall weapon. If he's not mobile, the DL will probably get to him

I thought that was a catch! Slight bobble?

And just like that a huge turnover! (I'm watching live for a bit)

Ha ha! What about the ability levels? 😄 There again, the Norm Smith curse was a very real thing ... and there is documented proof to back that up! 57 long, tortuous years!!!

Eagles 13+

@Gorgoroth... don't forget your tips

2 of the original posters on this thread are head to head tomorrow ... @pantaloons(Chiefs) & @Dappa Dan(Eagles) so good luck to both you blokes tomorrow if you're reading this (hope you're both well) So we play for a total of 10 points in the tipping comp (5 win & 5 bonus) so good luck to all! Whichever way you look at it, it's going to be a tight finish in the tipping comp ... let's hope the actual match is the same! Unless I have a wager on the game I don't really have a dog in the fight. I've always liked Andy Reid and Mahomes is a star whilst the Eagles are a team that have had an outstanding season and would be absolute deserved winners of the SB if they prevail Leaderboard Post Season Tipping Comp 21 - JV7 (Eagles 1-6) @DeeSpencer(?) 20 - Go the Biff (Chiefs 1-6) Clintosaurus (Chiefs 1-6) @Gorgoroth(?) 19 - Dr.Gonzo (Eagles 7-12) @Macca(?) 16 - Dee Zephyr (Chiefs 13+) 15 - layzie (Chiefs 1-6) 13 - DemonDave (Eagles 7-12) YouTube has a heap of preview videos of the SB so I won't post any up. I'm working but will be listening in on audio If any of you blokes get a chance, posting up a few vital moments during the match will be greatly appreciated

Anamoe toys with them and wins easily! What an absolute star! Magic ride by JMac Royal Ascot on the agenda in late June! The mile or the mile and a quarter is the choice

I like Pinstriped but we haven't seen the best of it as yet. Swoopers often need a bit of luck and the horse hasn't seen clear running in a lot of its races Racing at Sandown & Flemington this Autumn (predominantly) could see it shine Any races in Sydney earmarked?

@Dee Zephyr.... El Mag racing in Darwin tomight at 7pm!

Man City in allsortsa!

The only thing I saw were players unloading weights and then a bit of tag football

Yeah, tuned in for a bit ... WTF?? But the Yanks lap up that sort of stuff. I thought it was lame

Fixed it for you Gonzo 😁 And I agree with the premise of the rest of your post Upon analysing the VFA competion from 1877-1896 (pre those years the competition was too small and disjointed) I'd be more inclined to count the premierships from 1885 but they will probably recognise all or nothing A number of big footy names have got behind the idea/concept (Sheahan, Sheedy, Fitzpatrick et al) so I wouldn't be surprised to see a change of view (recognising premierships pre 1897) About a 15% - 20% chance right now but down the track (say 5 years time) the likelyhood could be more like 50%. Needs more weight of numbers for change. Especially from those within the Commission But right now you'd imagine the Blues, Cats & Dons voting in favour! Maybe the Demons too! (for the 3 extra Premierships) Footnote: Every footy season from at least 1870 has it's own Wiki page so people here can do their own analysis

Interesting that the MCG was our home ground only from 1890 onwards (not before) From 1858 until 1885 our home ground was the Metropolitan Ground situated between Wellington Rd & the MCG (nicknamed the 'Gravel Pit') and from 1885 to 1990 our home ground was where the Lexus centre is now And Carlton's* home ground from 1885 to 1990 was the MCG! Also, they played some home games at the MCG prior to 1885! Who knew? * Info courtesy of Blueseum

Not sure they can include any of the years prior to 1877. In all of those years only 3-5 teams were eligible to win the premiership. The counter argument is that up until 1924 the media of the day and the VFL & VFA were constantly counting the premierships as from 1870 (7 years prior to the advent of the VFA) But 1924 was the same year that the VFL were on the cusp of inviting 3 teams from the VFA to switch comps (Hawks, North & the Doggies) A hit and run mission? We'll take 3 of your teams and from here on in, we won't be recognising anything prior to 1897. There was a complete switch of thinking from that year (1924) An example of what happened prior to 1877 was in 1876 and the final game of the year that turned out to be a de facto premiership decider between Carlton & Melbourne. During the match the Carlton players abused the umpire who then duly stormed off in disgust (umpire abuse & player dissent goes back aways!) It took 15 minutes to find another umpire ('Mr Bride') but the result was disputed by both sides anyway! The match was played on an oval now occupied by the Newman College (Melb Uni) The Demons were awarded the premiership 1977 onwards there's a reasonably strong case to recognise the premierships but a stronger case can be put forward when the competion starts to really hot-up from 1885 (when 8 of the current AFL teams competed ... ongoing) Doggies & Saints joined in 1886 so that year represents an even stronger case ... then later on the Pies (1892) Hawthorn joined up early in the 20th century 12 years on from 1885, the breakaway VFL was formed

Our ratio of GF appearances converted to wins takes a hammering if those forgotten* years end up being counted 3 premierships but 9 times runners-up! And the 1900 flag was seen as a drought breaker ... 24 long, tortuous years since our previous premiership in 1876! *50 pages into Colin Carter's book and he's already made a compelling argument many times over So if you're interested in this sort of historical revision, it's a great way to spend 30 bucks Available at all good book stores! (and online of course) Footnote: Upon analysing the first 8 years, there is a strong case made that the oldest rivalry all-time is the one between Melbourne & Carlton ... closely followed by Geelong & South in the following 10 seasons

I just purchased a signed copy from Dymocks in Hawthorn! Apparently Colin Carter was in the store yesterday and signed the copies that the store had in stock Can't wait to read it! So where we are on the same page Gonzo is our interest in historical happenings

The following is a hypothetical situation only and not something that I would want or wish for So would we recognise the flags won in the AFL/VFL if there happened to be a breakaway league happening in the near future? 12 teams only where all the teams play each other twice Clubs to be discarded ... GWS, Gold Coast, Freo, Crows, North & Saints So do the flags prior count? ... Including that extra long 57 year wait for the 2021 premiership? It would look very much like what happened at the end of 1896 going into 1897 Footnote: The above scenario is highly unlikely but it wasn't so long ago that Rupert (with all his millions) decided to have his own Australia-wide Rugby League competition (Super League)

You make some very good points but I'm of the firm belief that it all started in 1877 SANFL & WAFL have cases but the best competition was always based out of Victoria. It's just a question of from which year You know what, if we'd always counted the lost years (1877-1896) then I reckon those years would be readily accepted by all and sundry And one of the main reasons those years aren't counted (or recognised) is that the new comp (1897 onwards) was in fierce competition with it's former home. VFL vs VFA So much so that players who switched from the VFL to the VFA were banned for 5 years A champion Full Forward in Ron Todd was one such case. Switched from the Pies at the age of 23 to Williamstown for very big money And as stated earlier, this new book at least alerts people to what once was. And our Demon history was a big part of it too It's where we came from ... an example of that is the 1900 Premiership team. Many of those players would have played in the earlier, VFA competion

I reckon it's only fascinating for a very small minority ... a broken fingernail to Clarrie would gain more traction on these boards! But for those few who are interested, it is fascinating

Not sure about counting anything before 1877 (when the new (back then) VFA comp was quite well organised and structured) So that would rule out the 3 extra flags for us (as well as taking 3 flags off Carlton) ... applicable from 1870 to 1876 Google will lead people to each particular year (via Wiki) so 1870 itself seems to be more about games organised on the go! No real structure and an uneven amount of games played by the competing clubs But I'm highly doubtful that anything will change with regards to the premiership count. I'd change it but I'm part of s small minority However, it's good that this past history has been brought to life and it will get people thinking. There's lots of people interested in historical data especially when the newspapers of the day verify that data

I see the 1897 breakaway league as a new league that discarded the teams that didn't fit their criteria In effect the same league minus 4 or 5 teams. It's not like there were any new teams included. They were teams that already existed in the prior league The VFA continued on but it was obviously not a patch on the 1877-1896 league And this is where people judge in an incorrect way (I believe) ... we associate the VFA as a lesser competion with teams like Brunswick or Caulfield when in reality, the VFA prior to 1897 was the premier league All the best teams played in that league or derived from that league and that is indisputable Put away any bias or prejudice and it should be recognised as such (the Premier football competition) We can agree to disagree Gonzo but I'm probably as passionate about this revelation as Carter is In fact, I've been banging on about it with mates for over 30 years. One of my pet hates is ignoring history. I've spent hours and days pouring over old archive newspapers in the State library from that era. Trust me, footy was huge back in the 19th century ... with big crowds considering only about 650,000 people lived in Melbourne at that time