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Oh no doubt. Ziebell has always been a good strong player that you would be happy to pick up. Polec is great on the outside and would have complimented our list nicely. I quite like McDonald too and McMillan has been underated. I'm not saying they are bad. It's just a boring side. I watch most games of footy each week and know most teams pretty well. North just don't have much of interest at the moment.

Just looking at their list and by gosh it is a boring team. Ben Brown, Cunnington, Higgins and then a heap of 'handy' players. No wonder they have salary cap space. Most of their players would be overpaid to meet the minimum.

It's hard to tell how much of Preuss decline during the match was injury or endurance.He had absolutely zero tank at while at North. I won't be expecting him to kick 2 goals every week. He will be very inconsistent and frustrate a lot until he can build his tank.

10 points for dedication to the cause DV8.

The funniest part of this is that he gets it wrong most of the time.

I have been pretty happy with what i have seen from Corey so far. Very happy for him to be making up the numbers as I think he could improve enough to be a handy player for a number of years.

Jones with a great game. Humble pie for me.

Swan supporters with no idea what the rules are.

Commentary team have finally noticed that we aren't playing too bad. You can tell that they want us to lose.

Well done Frost. Playing a good game on Buddy

The whole commentary team have just been waiting for us to stuff up so they can say how loose and leaky we have been. I don't think we have been playing great but neither have the Swans and they haven't been all all year so far.

I have been hating on Frost recently. But he had been good so far. Of course Buddy will get onto a couple. He is a champion.

Bruce really wants the Swans to win

Oscar McDonald is having a terrible night.

There is something about Jack Martin that doesn't sit right with me. Perhaps it's his consistency. He has this seemingly limitless potential but never produces week to week.

We do. However my view has some caveats. Sam is a straight shooting hard leading type player. He isn't a strong pack marking type player. He needs space to lead into where another player can deliver it to his advantage. Our current game plan does not match this. We bomb it in. Lock it in. It does not suit Sam at all and it drives me nuts. If we change and start delivering into the fwd 50 with a bit more class then Sam will shine. I fear that we won't.

Weid has a lot of development left. He could easily be a 50 goal year kpf. Although I think a number of posters assumed that the Cats final last year was his breakout and that he would just continue to deliver at that level. He has a lot of work to do to deliver at that level consistently. Thinking that he would replace Hogan was foolish. Hogan is a contested marking freak. I would back a 17 year Hogan over Weid right now. Weid will make it, he just needs the ball delivered to him better and a bit more development. TMac kicked over 50 last year. I think I'm missing what you are putting down here. Do you mean that TMac only kicked 50 because Hogan was there? I was very sad the day the news came out that Hogan was heading home. We lost the trade as soon as he decided to leave. No way we're we going to get what he was worth. Mainly because he hadn't lived up to his potential in his time with us.

I thought this when he was 20/21. He hasn't gotten any better though has he? The improvement just hasn't happened.

He is in mine too. I was a fan of his at the Suns when he first started and have kept an eye on him over the years. Even when he was playing badly he would average about 18 possessions a game. He is averaging 8 with us at the moment. He is underdone but will come good with some game time. I thought he was much better tonight than last week. He really should be building up at Casey. Thats how bad we are travelling at the moment. The cupboard is bare and we are forced to play players when we shouldn't.

I know a few people are getting upset about Weids tonight. I feel like a lot of fans got carried away with what he produced in the finals last year. He isn't ready to consistently take the game by the scruff of the neck. He will have a lot of games where he will struggle to get involved over the next 12 months. He will also have a couple of blinders. He is a young KPF who has good hands on the lead and a great set shot for goal who is playing in a team who continually bomb the ball into the forward 50 with no thought to kick it to advantage. He only needs to get his mitts on the ball a few times a game to make the most of it but we continually bomb it in. Very frustrating. He got 2 goals tonight. Delivered the ball into the forward 50 to advantage KK to set up another (exactly the reverse of what should happen) and played out 87% game time including a smidgen in the ruck. Its about what I expect from a young kpf with 22 games to his name.

Wow.

I would rather point out that Frost wont be able to stop him either. May is the only one on our list who can go with him to a decent standard. Therefore I would rather get games of experience into Petty.

ANB - I slightly defended him in the preseason by pointing out that we had no one better to replace him with, but he is horribly out of form. He was woeful again and simply must be dropped. Sparrow would be better. I pray that Garlett is ready. (scary) OMac - I defended him when he was 20 years old. I wont now that he has turned 23. Everytime I see Omac and Frost as our KPD my heart sinks. You cannot afford to play both of them. Frost deserves to be in this chat, but really probably deserves his own thread of hate.

Really? It was a horrific night of umpiring both ways

Frost. How can we keep playing this guy? I would much rather take a punt on Petty at this point. There is no improvement left in Frost. He will continue to have these WTF moments every game.