Demon Dynasty

✌️ cheers Cards... the occasional chuckle never goes astray

Yep as dumb as movies comes but it was a one off hoot. They certainly got the casting right. Fabulous chemistry with a dash of slapstick jack [censored] silliness thrown in along with some some very good straight men. Some classic meme's and GIFs from this one.

Covid related* - didnt think it deserved it's own thread...

Apart from the Pies & Kangas anomoly there's some nice results in there for a change. Even in our game i was wondering how the hec they were sitting on about 14 to 8 frees at one point when we were clearly getting most of the ball and leading by 20 odd points at that stage. We must, in general, be seriously loathed and victimised by the umps and i think that stemmed from the Nichols match in 2016 where Maxy thumped the ball away at the centre bounce as it went outside the circle and Nichols was heard to cry "what the hell did you do that for!??". As someone pointed out earlier the super dodgy ruck free against him that cost us the match against the doggies in 2019. Lovely to see the Hawks and Essendrug on the bottom. That has to be a first for a very long while i would guess. And what happened to Meth coke? Did the online petition to dump Margettes & Daglish from the local Darby from Freo supporters finally result in Gil having a word on the side telling them to ease up a little this season in general i wonder? 15 years of biased (some might say cheating) over there and now this. Even then they are still fairing ok sitting at approx 50/50. There is no way the GF should be played out west for the Dagettes factor alone. Unless of course they are banned from officiating in all finals matches involving Meth.

I dunno, at least our blokes will feel right at home GT

About time somebody posted the actual guideline ty Jnr! ... ref: " (the 2003 official rules of Vlad) AFL guidelines on off the ball incidents Clause 3: Guideline 5.6 section B (subjection) S

Anything's possible but Hunt seems a bridge too desperate for my liking unless we did have some injuries as you say Jnr. I still think he will unsettle the current cohesion up there as well given he usually plays very deep.

I didn't know about the 7 connection OD. Bit of a quiet achiever by the sounds of it. I'm not sure how they played in those old shin high boots back in the day! Although if i recall my first Barassi ones weren't that dissimilar!

It does have some merit over the next few weeks. Hannan would probably be the better option for Jones though if we need a step up in pace and pressure inside 50. Hunt averages the most tackles inside 50 when in the team but Hannan is the next best available here outside of those who played against the Pies. Hannan also averages 1 goal a match vs Hunt 0.3 and a few more score involvements than Hunt... 3.9 vs 1.7 bringing others into the game. Hannan also pushes a little higher up the ground at times, hopefully dragging his opponent away from the arc and creating a bit more space for others like Weid to lead in to. Whereas Hunt is more a deep starting forward and might crowd out that area for the bigger fellas (Weid & T-Mac) and his inclusion might blow up a good thing we have at present.

Road to Finals / GF - Triple Crown Update (to Rnd 12, 2020) Vs the Pies Meters Gained Differential (looking for + 200 or more) ? +628 ✔️ Marks inside 50 Differential (any positive is a win but the higher the better) ? +5 ✔️ Contested Possession Differential (looking for a +10 or greater) ? -2 ❌ Season Averages (the ones that count) Get ready, get set, we are finals bound fellow minions! Meters Gained Average Differential (looking for an average of + 200 or more) ? +204 ✔️ Up from +162 last week and into +200 territory for the first time this season! Retaining No.4 spot. Cats replacing the Power at No.1 The Lions dropping out of 5th place moving to 7th, replaced by the Doggies. The top five with current ladder positions in parenthesis below. Top five ? 1. Cats 345 (3rd) 2. Port 317 (1st) 3. Tigers 298 (6th) 4. Demons 204 (8th) 5. Bulldogs 131 (10th) Marks inside 50 Average Differential (ideally we need to see a top 6 ranking) ? 3rd ✔️ Holding at 3rd with a slight improvement from last week's +2.2 average to 2.5 Top five ? 1. Cats 2. Lions 3. Demons 4. Power 4. Tigers Contested Possession Average Differential (looking for +10 or more) ? +7.7 ❌ This one isn't quite as strong as the first two in terms or correlation and somewhat of a bonus but we remain in the top 3 which is still a very good indicator we are on track on this measure. Dropping one place to 3rd and still below the required pass rate but worth noting that no team has hit the required pass mark on this yet. Down from +8.7 last week to +7.7 Top five: 1. Cats 2. Pies 3. Demons 4. Power 4. Kangas

So out of curiosity who are you replacing Jones with Chazz?

it's from the dees podcast FB site PJ. Just a bit of fun, i'm not sure how they arrived at it. Might have included last year or whatever

I know it's only one match but it was against the Filth. I'll take equal 9th (statistically) from the Jones boy as a medium HF any day till someone else can shift him out of that spot. And sure it's not the chunk we once knew about 3 seasons or so ago. He's been a bit of a turnover king for a few seasons now. Which is why a HF role is more suited imho. Turnovers not as damaging to the team in this part of the ground. Even on season averages he is ranked 14th out of 34 who've played so far this season. Statistically still well inside the top 22. Who is ready to replace him right at this point who you could say with 100% certainty would do it better? If you enjoy doing what you do you also tend to do it better. Don't think i've seen Jones as happy as he was in the last match for some time. He carried us through some awful times and sure he's on the wrong side of the slope. Yes in a very strong team he might have been asked to move on at the end of last year but the FD saw fit for him to play on and he still might have a part to play in our finals destiny. Who knows he might even turn back the clock occasionally in this next block of matches (or finals!) and surprise us all plus get to the 300 mark! The other reason he might have been asked to continue....maybe a voice of experience on the field as an on field leader for the younger blokes? Can't say i've seen any evidence myself so far but who knows. Good luck Chunk Player Score Rank Angus Brayshaw 4.475 1 Christian Salem 4.125 2 Clayton Oliver 4.125 2 Ed Langdon 3.850 4 Steven May 3.425 5 James Harmes 2.950 6 Christian Petracca 2.900 7 Tom Sparrow 2.525 8 Nathan Jones 2.325 9 Michael Hibberd 2.325 9 Braydon Preuss # * 2.150 11 Charlie Spargo 1.900 12 Jake Lever 1.900 12 Tom McDonald # 1.750 14 Jake Melksham 1.700 15 Jack Viney 1.675 16 Jay Lockhart 1.475 17 Adam Tomlinson 1.450 18 Sam Weideman 1.375 19 Bayley Fritsch 1.100 20 Kysaiah Pickett 0.800 21 Aaron Vandenberg 0.500 22 Team Score 50.800 Top 6 22.950 Bottom 6 6.700

Courtesy of the Dees Podcast

Yes i think he got a mention in the interview with Spargo after the match AF

Yes OD i never saw any of them play (obviously too young for the Fox and a fair way shy of Bluey/Dicko) but i remember meeting Dicko after the "No merger" faction launch in the City square (i think it was there vs Fed square) in '96'. I didn't actually chat to him at the launch other than briefly hearing him speak alongside Alan Johnson. A quick hand shake and thank you for what they were doing for the club was about it. However, as i was walking back to where my car was parked i had the good fortune to run in to Brian. Had a good chat about all the goings on. He certainly didn't mince words and i remember thinking how switched on / sharp he was for the age he was pushing. He went on to tell me some of the history of his involvement and also how he felt about some of those involved pushing for the merger. I can't remember the exact details now but let's just say he was less than happy about the whole situation and there was some mention of some of the personalities on the no merger side etc. I do remember thinking how passionate he was for the red & blue afterwards but also didn't feel great with the chances of the no merger getting through. My gut feel after that chat was that he (and Johno) were coming to the party possibly too little too late as outsiders / rebels swimming against the tide if that makes sense. That may have been just before he managed to get diamond Joe on board. At that stage i had no idea how good a footballer he was and then went on to do a little reading to find out. And find out i did!

I'll second that BBP. No more forward experiments please. Structure is about right as it is.

Is that you Cam??

After 3 wins in a row by 50 plus and a convincing win over the arch enemy, aside from Gawn, i reckon you stick with the present winning line up. About the only other change i would love to see is Harley for Tomlinson but that's more wishful thinking than a possible reality at this point given his apparant defensive issues.

He showed something up forward in 2019. Nice and mobile, presented & seemed to time his leads well. Strong overhead mark with courage coming across in front of packs. Decent kick for goal even from a fair way out. I'd be getting him up and setting him for a big 2021 with a view to over taking T-Mac in 2021+

The Hawks remind me of us under Neeld right now. Good for a laugh.

Weighted Averages up to and including Rnd 12, 2020 Have included an extra column to show the adjusted performance from this year vs 2019 allowing for the 20% time reduction this season. Player 2020 Weighted Score 2020 Rank 2019 Weighted Score % Change vs 2019 % Change vs 2019 w/ 20% time reduction 2019 Rank Change in Rank vs 2019 Clayton Oliver 3.986 1 4.643 -14.15 7.31 1 0 Christian Petracca 3.691 2 2.616 41.09 76.37 10 8 Max Gawn # 3.039 3 3.256 -6.66 16.67 4 1 Jack Viney 2.825 4 3.068 -7.92 15.10 5 1 Christian Salem 2.648 5 3.448 -23.20 -4.00 3 -2 Ed Langdon 2.605 6 - - - - - Steven May 2.498 7 2.446 2.13 27.66 14 7 Angus Brayshaw 2.414 8 2.894 -16.59 4.27 6 -2 Tom Sparrow 2.338 9 1.075 117.49 171.86 37 28 Michael Hibberd 2.218 10 2.124 4.43 30.53 20 10 Braydon Preuss # * 2.150 11 1.521 41.35 76.69 33 22 Jake Lever 2.075 12 2.313 -10.29 12.14 17 5 James Harmes 2.052 13 3.850 -46.70 -33.38 2 -11 Nathan Jones 1.871 14 2.711 -30.98 -13.73 8 -6 Oscar McDonald 1.825 15 1.877 -2.77 21.54 26 11 Harley Bennell 1.790 16 - - - - - Alex N-Bullen 1.683 17 1.984 -15.17 6.04 21 4 Tom McDonald # 1.654 18 2.150 -23.07 -3.84 19 1 Jay Lockhart 1.636 19 1.660 -1.45 23.19 31 12 Mitchell Hannan 1.625 20 1.325 22.64 53.30 36 16 Sam Weideman 1.614 21 1.818 -11.22 10.97 27 6 Bayley Fritsch 1.600 22 2.641 -39.42 -24.27 9 -13 Adam Tomlinson # 1.582 23 - - - - - Trent Rivers 1.388 24 - - - - - Luke Jackson # 1.354 25 - - - - - Aaron Vandenburg 1.350 26 - - - - - Neville Jetta 1.305 27 2.264 -42.36 -27.95 18 -9 Charlie Spargo 1.242 28 1.375 -9.67 12.91 35 7 Jake Melksham 1.182 29 1.931 -38.79 -23.49 23 -6 Joel Smith 1.158 30 - - - - - Toby Bedford * 1.150 31 - - - - - Kysaiah Pickett 1.142 32 - - - - - Jayden Hunt 0.858 33 1.958 -56.18 -45.22 22 -11 Mitchell Brown * 0.625 34 - - - - - Average Team Score -Top 22 49.837 59.623 -16.41 4.48 # Hit outs to advantage not captured * One match only, not an average Stats courtesy of footywire.com

Rnd 12, 2020 Gabba - Demons vs Pies Weighted Scores - Magpies Player Score Rank Brodie Grundy 3.900 1 Taylor Adams 3.725 2 Steele Sidebottom 3.500 3 Scott Pendlebury 3.075 4 Tom Phillips 2.925 5 Travis Varcoe 2.750 6 Darcy Moore 2.700 7 John Noble 2.575 8 Josh Daicos 2.300 9 Josh Thomas 1.950 10 Jack Crisp 1.925 11 Jack Madgen 1.900 12 Rupert Wills 1.550 13 Brayden Maynard 1.450 14 Jamie Elliott 1.400 15 Will H-Elliott 0.900 16 Callum Brown 0.900 17 Ben Reid 0.750 18 Darcy Cameron 0.675 19 Lynden Dunn 0.500 20 Trey Ruscoe 0.400 21 Brody Mihocek 0.000 22 Team Score 41.750 Top 6 19.875 Bottom 6 3.225 # Hit outs to advantage not captured Stats courtesy of footywire.com

I hear you Polly. Stats in general are, to various degrees, flawed regardless of how good the stat itself might be (in the case of some of the non-public Champion data stuff). Let alone publicly available stuff that i use as the basis here which is, in the main, flawed. Some of it a little more robust than others but we do our best to paint some sort of picture with the limited stuff we have available to work with. Now the one thing that stats don't do (at least the publicly available ones and probably even most of Champion data's with maybe some exceptions) is measure things like you have highlighted. Crashing packs, going back into an on coming marking contest. Going back with the flight or laterally to spoil a boil with courage as we saw with Vanders yesterday. All they are there to do is try and capture a very basic overview of who produced what results / output on the day in a very rough guide sense that may (or may not) be an indicator of who performed sub par, ordinary/average, above average, good to very good or excellent to off the charts. They generally don't cover the points you highlighted and they certainly don't cover things like a lock down player playing his role in keeping a top opponent's output well down below his usual. A defender keeping a top KF very quiet vs his usual. A KF having a somewhat quiet day up forward but still doing the little things at the contest that bring others into the game, score assists, spoils from behind, hit outs to advantage when taking forward ruck duties etc. Stats also don't measure the quality of an opponent or the opposition. These are all analogue / qualitative factors which sometimes get overlooked with pure stats alone. That's why i always say, don't judge any player on stats alone and certainly don't look at these weighted scores in isolation wherever possible.. Watch the entire game first and determine for yourself how that player went as stats alone can never capture the entire story of what went on on the field. A very rough guide that sometimes works and sometimes a fair way off, sometimes partially correct. With regard to Weid's output in this particular match and what made up his lowish output / score of 1.375 and a ranking of 19th on the day? Let's look at what went into that score. 5 effectives running at 62.5% efficiency. About 10% below the AFL average although i don't know what that is for KFs. Probably somewhat less than 73% given the pressure they're under. One contested mark, three marks inside 50, two 1%ers, two inside 50s, one tackle (inside 50), three score involvements, two goals and two turnovers. Now let's look at the previous week where he finished with a score of 2.675 and equal 9th alongside T-Mac against the Roos in Rnd 11. He had 10 effectives running at 76.9%, roughly 4% above the AFL average DE %. three contested marks, five marks inside 50, two 1%ers, eight score involvements, two goals and two turnovers. As you can see, more than double his effective disposals against the Pies, nearly twice as many marks inside 50 and two extra contested marks. Add to that nearly three times as many score involvements. Same goals, same turnovers. So in many areas more than double the output with the same score and turnovers, producing a statistical weighted score just under twice that of his match against the Pies. As you can see it's merely the statistical results / output produced on the day that make up this score. Did he play an ordinary game against the Pies however? In my view no. He contributed and still produced the same number of goals, brought the ball to ground on occasions as you have highlighted. He played his role. Was his match against North nearly twice as good in comparison? Really hard to call. Honestly, i forget much of what happens in most matches fairly quickly and would need to watch it again and then watch the Pies match again to be sure. And who has time to do this? If i was getting paid for it...maybe! He contributed nicely yesterday and we won by a very solid margin. As did Vanders albeit he didn't rack up many possessions and turned it over quite a bit. He also played his role in various ways throughout the day, played a hard at the pill game and lead the way with a number of courageous acts. As we know, those courageous acts (aside from the actual spoil against opponent itself as a 1%er) aren't captured in this data. It is what it is as they say and we spifflicated the Pies. All is well!