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Ginnivan is a very average player. Tries the hard stuff too often, never does the simple stuff. Soft. Tragedy he got a medal last year. May was right.

Hawks can do the whole AFL and society in general a HUGE favour by winning the next two. Particularly next week…

It looked to me like he jarred his knee. Very frustrating they never followed up. But he seemed to run it out by the next contest and played out the game. If he did jar it he would be mighty sore today. Fingers crossed he gets up.

I think it’s a role made for Melksham in the back half of the year. Can play forward, play in bursts on wing/on ball and even pinch hit on the HB line. He’s the kind of player that can break the game open with a dynamic last quarter. Coming back from a serious injury Sub might be made for Melksham. Although if our luck with injury improves selection will get tough. No idea how we fit McAdam, Bowey, Hunter, Melksham, Woey, Spargo, Hore all in let alone Kolt, Verrall, Adams and Jefferson if they keep improving. Nice problem to have.

A lot of mentions of Fullarton in here. Perhaps as he was named as emergency but watching the Casey game on the weekend and also in the pre-season games Verrall is offering more up forward and in the ruck this year. If we’re pulling the trigger on resting a BBB (I’d be loathe to do it unless absolutely necessary as he’s a revelation this year!) or want backup for Max I’d bring Verrall in. Fullarton is ok, but he plays more as a rangy extra mid in the ruck and gets around the ground on a lead but doesn’t take congested marks up forward where Verrall is similarly athletic in the ruck and around the ground but offers more up forward and seems to have more of the Max Gawn school of ruck craft. On May, I understand the calls to rest him but if the issue is pain management not reoccurrence or worsening the injury as our club is saying then it might be better to take the risk this week. With Hore as the sub and the option of throwing Petty back if May can’t play the game out I give us a much better chance against an out of form Adelaide than Brisbane. Find May can’t play through the pain early against Brisbane and we’ll lose, against Adelaide we may still cobble a win. If he makes it through the game against Adelaide it’ll give him extra confidence against Brisbane, especially with the full week to prepare followed by the bye. I think it could be better to give Maysie the chance to see how he goes this week, and good luck stopping him if he thinks he’s ready! Otherwise no changes, Billings plays a feast or famine game and the Port game didn’t suit him, but he still showed some quality and if he’d kicked through the ball in the last would’ve almost sealed the game. Unless there’s mystery injuries, like Chandlers two knees I’d be going: In May Out Woey, Hore to sub.

Saints have kept the Bombers in this game with poor goal kicking, annoying, I hate the Bombers. On the umps, what has happened to HTB this season? It’s always been hit and miss and they’ve always called far too few incorrect disposal for my liking but the absolute classic ‘take them on, get tackled, drop ball, HTB’ is just not getting paid this year. It’s a blight on the game, that’s the best bit of the rule!!

JVR is in his third season, he was always bulky. He played seniors at the start of his second season after a fairly dominant first season in the VFL where he kicked a large number of goals in a premiership. He definitely grew his fitness base before the second season doing running in the off season with Knuckle and Woey but I don’t think bulk/strength was ever his issue. Jeffo is a different type, rangy, great hands, good goal sense, usually better kicking, can get around the ground. The improvement in his pressure game and positioning after his time on the wing and in the backline is evident. I think he still needs to work on his fitness as his second efforts can be lacking but he’s growing into a good second forward and if his confidence and fitness grows he could become a very good option in a year or so. I see Kolt in the Tom Sparrow and early career Trac mould. A powerful half forward who rotates through the midfield.

Tomlinson, Disco, Hunter, Laurie, Melksham, McAdam, Bowey, Spargo, not to mention Smith make this a much, much stronger team. Casey will come home hard this season if we can have some luck with injury and smooth returns. Silver lining for the moment is our kids are getting experience in key roles. Tholstrup won’t play this much midfield time at AFL for many years but this is great experience. Jeffo is growing as a key forward.

Last week there was very little to be excited about. This week Verrall has been great. Jeffo showing his quality. Adams much improved down back. Kolt and Sestan beasts. AMW shows a lot of dash, guts and skill. Brown shows a bit. Plenty to take away from this for us.

Jefferson’s time down back looks to have helped his follow up and positioning down the ground. He’s looking excellent today, goal kicking aside.

All the better for us. If we have Verrall and Kalani White playing Ruck/forward and developing behind Gawn in his last few (hopefully five more!) seasons we’re doing pretty well.

Verrall is very very good for a second year Ruck. I think it’s easy to forget he is only in his second year and that his first was very interrupted through injury. Once he gets his fitness up to get to more contests and clunks a few more marks he’ll be AFL ready.

This week is very difficult to pick, as far as I can see it we have three options. I’m going glass half full and Lever and Chin get up. In no particularly order: 1. Keep Petty forward, Bring in Tomlinson for May, Hore stays sub. 2. Petty back for May, bring Fullarton or AMW or another forward in. Hore stays sub. 3. Hore in for May, Petty back, Riv, Salem play more mid, play slightly smaller up front. Runner as sub AMW or Woey etc. My preference is 2 as Port are pretty big up forward and I see Petty as a better matchup for Dixon, with TMac on Finlayson and Howes or Lever manning Marshall. But I could see us going with 1, I would’ve leant that way had Tommo’s kicking not been so putrid in the VFL. 3 would be very risky but could pay off if Max can roll back to help out blocking Dixon and Marshall. Tough.

The year we won it Stephen May missed 3 weeks (we got lucky with the Richmond game meaning it was only 3 games when he actually missed 4 weeks) with a fractured eye socket after Tom Hawkins threw his elbow back in his face. We then lost our other form key back, Adam Tomlinson to an ACL against North when he was in career best form and had locked down the third KPD the week Maysie was ready to come back, with his replacement, young Harrison Petty causing much hand wringing at first. We were also without our then two first choice forwards Brown and Weideman for most of the first 10 weeks with injury with their replacements, TMac and a young Luke Jackson, surprising everyone by taking it by storm. We have our injury challenges this year, exacerbated by the loss of Brayshaw and Smith, but our premiership year also had its challenges and this current situation may just enable us to find a new setup that makes us even better. Fingers crossed.

Commentary just said May has been released from hospital with a suspected broken rib, 1-2 weeks. Lever got good results on the scan his knee and pending some more follow up could be available to play this week.

You mean the number 1 defensive AFL team of the past four years?! Pull the other one!

I was hoping we were just trying some things and bringing underdone players in that game, alas it looks like we’ve fallen off the cliff. The shocking thing is there is a spot right there for a Tomlinson or an Adams and they’ve both been so poor. Disappointing.

This might be the worst Casey performance for a long time. Losing Smith and Brayshaw from the list, plus the injuries to Turner, Sestan and Melksham have spread us too thin.

Bailey Laurie is NOT a mid. That clearance was the prime example, fumbles the ball to Hawthorns 50, misses a tackle clearance Hawthorn. He has some crafty things for a HF or small forward but he’s not a mid, this needs to end.

BBB has done us a huge favour. I’d imagine the FD were hoping he would be a stop gap for us and help us eke out a win before we could bring Petty back. Instead he was so outstanding he gives Harrison another week to gain form and fitness in the VFL. Brown’s marking and competing in the air were brilliant as always but his work on the ground was the best it’s been since 2021. If he can play 10-15 games like that this year look out! Windsor, TMac and Billings were also a revelation. Unless someone is sore and needs a rest no change this week. Hopefully Harrison can dominate at VFL level and demand his spot as I think Petty-JVR is our best tall forward mix and Brown will need done managing. Still buzzing from that win and very much hoping we can smash those Hawks!

I think we need to be careful with what’s in the media on this as as we saw with Kozzie, Oliver, Petty and numerous others Cornes, the old Rendell gang (RIP), Barrett etc have much more positive relations with Port and Adelaide than they do with our club. Especially after a number of those people went our club and particularly our coach, so hard in the off-season, to the point apologies were required. The Kozzie trade talk was all engineered by Port, attempting to give them an advantage, also the Oliver to Adelaide story and most of what we are hearing with regards to Petty is coming from Adelaide as well. Our club isn’t perfect but it would appear we don’t leak unintentionally (Oliver was clearly intentional and made Adelaide and their media look very silly!). The Petty situation is unique. Conventional wisdom would say if he’s thinking of going after the contract is over, conventionally we would trade him at the end of this year so we get something for him. However, he may be worth more to us for two years where he puts us in premiership contention and allows our young KPFs to develop than the extra picks we may get at this years end. And ultimately he’s contracted and it’s our call. All the other noise is Adelaide types trying to get him earlier, buyer beware.

Bump. Remember when we should trade Petty immediately as he’d already peaked and was close to needing his leg amputated? I generally stay quiet and just read this forum as I very rarely have information or am able to attend training (thanks to all training reporters and six6six for his excellent photos they are a lifesaver at this time of year!) .But I now understand why those who do have good information often leave and no longer post here. My statement on Petty was accurate and the info came from a good source but because it ran contra to the AFL media narrative and because people were upset at the time I was jumped on. Until the culture on here changes and people can share info that runs contrary to what is out in the public without being jumped on this wonderful forum won’t be able to live to its full potential as many will stay silent when they could share. Petty is actually ahead of the time frame I provided, but he’s a long way from not playing this season. Obviously there’s a long way to go and chance will play a part but so far, so good.

Could one surmise from that that maybe the club didn’t adequately address those issues? 3 leaders and their best players still walk after the club was told to clean up its act…. Collingwood has a history of wanting to look like it’s dealing with serious prejudice without actually dealing with it… Do Better cough cough

It’s appalling isn’t it. Almost everything CFC on that list is a serious crime, the club cleans up for them. There’s a patterns there of seriously disgusting attitudes and behaviour to women also.

DEE fence is bang on, the silence is deafening. MFC wins the trophy and 1mil for being the most consistent club across AFL and AFLW and radio silence from AFL.com. Instead an article about how important top ten picks are (duh!). MFC has been the benchmark across all three competitions AFL, AFLW, VFL for three years now. We’ve won 3 premierships (and counting with AFLW23 still to play) 4 GFs, finished in the top 4 8 times, made 9 final series and easily been the best club over this period. But what are they reporting on? A smear campaign against our coach and his family from 2020-21. What are our real issues?Joel Smith is an [censored] who did coke in season. Clayton Oliver is immature and has some issues, Stephen May is confident and has a big mouth, leading to one stupid fight with his teammates and a statement about CFC that annoyed them (despite being true!). That’s it. Compare that to CFC: Magpies deny players involvement in elicit video (off-season 2023): https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/teams/collingwood-magpies/magpies-deny-players-involved-in-explicit-viral-video-and-warn-fans-of-criminal-offence/news-story/1527df5feed42453ba45d130f819cb56 Ginnivan at the races pre GF: https://www.theroar.com.au/2023/09/30/magpies-defend-ginnivan-over-trip-to-the-races-before-grand-final-everyone-just-relax-and-chill/amp/ Jack Crisps alleged sexting exchange with an underage girl 2023: https://7news.com.au/sport/afl/jack-crisps-next-move-revealed-after-afl-completes-investigation-into-inappropriate-video-c-10314050.amp Jack Ginnivan allegedly does ketamine with players preaseason 2023: https://amp.abc.net.au/article/101994502 Jordan Degoey’s litany of mysognistic misdemeanours: https://amp.9news.com.au/article/384aa7b0-45be-4488-8f9c-d9c1f2e1191f Quaynor and Ginnivan rate women’s appearance in online video: https://www.foxsports.com.au/web-stories/free/fox-sports/jack-ginnivan-and-isaac-quaynor-apologise-for-tiktok-video Steele Sidebottom goes out drunk during COVID restrictions: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8477947/amp/AFL-star-Steele-Sidebottom-drunk-does-not-remember-breaking-COVID-19-rules.html The “do better report”: https://amp.theguardian.com/sport/2021/feb/01/collingwood-afl-clubs-culture-of-structural-racism-condemned-in-scathing-report Wow what an incredible “culture” led to this years flag, it’s almost like winning premierships is possible even with a team of misbehaving DH’s as long as they are good at football. But no, it’s probably Darcy Moore’s ability to deliver a year 10 level debate speech and Craig MacRae and the Daicos’s being nice guys, I’m sure that’s an impeccable “culcha”. It’s nice to confirm the bias against us in the AFL media, which was largely under the surface until now. They hate us and will never praise us as a “big club” (within 10k and 16k of Hawthorn and Essendon with a higher average home attendance but never acknowledge that). Time for us to start calling them out often and loudly, or stop listening to and watching their rubbish as Robbo, Warner at the Hun are out for us as are Damo, Cornes and others at AFL.com. Stuff em.